Tim Seifert said, 

>>> I made a link to a directory, but can't remember which is the link,
>>> and which was the original directory. Is there any way to tell? And
>>> can the link be safely removed without losing the contents (including
>>> if I pick the wrong one)?

>> Use ls (GG, AmiTCP, wherever), it will tell you which is a link, and
>> you can probably guess from the datestamps anyway.

> Mine have identical datestamps.

Use ShowLink from Aminet, or DOpus. DOpus shows linked files and
directories in bold.


Neil
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-- 
An example of hard water is ice.

Hi Neil,

> Another example of people only writing HTML for specific versions of
> specific browsers. There's a site I need to visit regularly, almost
> daily, that does this. The navigation bar shows as dark blue text on a
> darker blue background, the only way to read the links is to click on
> them :(

Or to use a browser that supports coloured links, like iBrowse or Voyager
3... :)

All the best,
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Sealey, M. wrote:
> > I'm on Matt's side here. You really shouldn't slag off an OS which
> > you've not even seen screen shots of...
> 
> Au contrare, I fully expect him to have seen screenshots - it's not
> having seen anything ELSE that I'm not pleased about.

NB - I typed "you've" not "he's" I didn't mean he hadn't, I was just
emphasising a general point.

> 
> > but..
> 
> > All the more reason for NOT using win2000!
> 
> That wasn't part of the question :) In answer to "why start now?"
> the answer is obvious - because they'll lose money if they don't.
Yesss.... I was just pointing out that if you don't like MS, and want
them to go bankrupt etc. etc. you should avoid buying their products
(especially new ones).

> 
> Purely for Matt's information, I'll point out that Windows 95, 98
> and 98SE when properly configured on decent hardware are as stable
> as anything, as is NT4 after you've installed Service Pack 5.
> 
> Want proof? Why look, we have hundreds of machines here that are
> stable as anything! It's no coincidence that they are using rather
> expensive high-quality hardware, and have been configured by
> professionals.
> 
> I'm not saying that Windows is inherently stable - I wouldn't expect
> people like your grandparents to be able to install and maintain a
> Windows install, but if you can and do know what you're doing then
> you can keep a pretty neat system going.
> 
> Big IF, though. Not many people can be bothered, and many more
> expect computers to be easy and therefore mess about more, leading
> to more breakages.
> 
> Big BUT - if that didn't happen, most of us would be out of a job,
> including Matt O'Neill when he finally graduates in a few years
> time.
>
 
> It's spelt 'Microsoft' (note no $ signs) and 'Windows'. You
> don't get any points for having the literacy skills and apparent
> maturity of a 5 year old here.
M$/Windoze - force of habit; I'm one step away from being offically
eccentric, y'know.
Literacy skills - I was typing 'on the fly' as it were. I don't look up
ever word I'm not 100% certain about the spelling of. this isn't a
formal letter, ok? =)

Um.. if I have the maturity of a 5 year old then that means the the mean
mental age of devon (or at least newton abbot) is negative (by about 3
ice ages=)! Besides, when I was 5, I never had the chance to imature, so
I'm making up for it now =P

> 
> And yes, it does actually mean that people are denying that
> Windows will be any good. Well time to wake up, idiots, because
> it CAN be good, it just needs (and you'll agree here) a LOT
> of work.
Oh yes, definately. But I'd rather have someone else do it, from
scratch, with no financial interest.

> 
> I would like to see how your beloved Amiga would fare doing
> the same job as an NT server, or even a workstation.. same
> goes for anything else you think is 'hip' or 'cool to use'
> these days. I'd LOVE to see Matt O'Neill try and configure
> Linux to do all the stuff Mint and Lemongrass are doing at
> the moment :)
Well, maybe if it had the development which windows and the rest have
had over the past few years there would be a Workstation/Server version
of  AmigaOS. Might've had to forget backwards compatability for a bit,
though.

Ho hum, in an ideal world.....

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> M$/Windoze - force of habit; I'm one step away from being offically
> eccentric, y'know.

Eccentric is when your rich and mad - I suspect you're just plain mad Alex...

RobM

I've had a 4.3 Gb HD for some time now and it has functioned
excellently. However recently, when I looked in HDToolbox, the HD is
not recognised. Some help please?

Ben Vost said, 

> Hi Neil,

>> Another example of people only writing HTML for specific versions of
>> specific browsers. There's a site I need to visit regularly, almost
>> daily, that does this. The navigation bar shows as dark blue text on a
>> darker blue background, the only way to read the links is to click on
>> them :(

> Or to use a browser that supports coloured links, like iBrowse or Voyager
> 3... :)

I do, and have done for years...


Neil
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amipa-@yahoo.com wrote: 
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/afb/?start=33124
> I've had a 4.3 Gb HD for some time now and it has functioned
> excellently. However recently, when I looked in HDToolbox, the HD is
> not recognised. Some help please?

Well, not that long, probably about a year, so it can't be anything to
do with age.

>> I've had a 4.3 Gb HD for some time now and it has functioned
>> excellently. However recently, when I looked in HDToolbox, the HD is
>> not recognised. Some help please?

> Well, not that long, probably about a year, so it can't be anything to
> do with age.

Hard drives can fail regardless of age so don't dismiss it as a possibility.
Can you be more specific about HDToolbox - does "not recognised" mean it doesn't
see it at all?

RobM

hi,
 
>   I can guess that, but how come your answer reached me ten minutes before my question?
>   Sometimes I feel like an ugly duckling.

because i'm running the new BlazeMonger YAM extension

alan

Here are the results of the vote:

1. I already only use my Amiga as another machine			5
2. I use my Amiga less and less these days :(			5
3. I use my Amiga for specific tasks			7
4. I use my Amiga when I can, but have to use other machines against my will			14
5. I find I can do most everything I want on my Amiga			27
6. They'll bury me with my Amiga			39

Hang on lads, I've got an idea...

Is it possibe, via arexx, to write a variant of the windows Desktop.
Windows just copies all files from the Windows/Desktop directory and
displays them on the desktop (with me so far?).

Could a script be written to read the names of files in a directory such as
Work:desktop/ , and write them to that drives .backdrop file?  (or all
drives).

I'd have a go myself, but theres two problems:
a) I'm no whizz with arexx,
b) My Amiga won't work at the moment.(big problem!)

so could someone else try?  Maybe it could be in the magazine.  (gwan Ben).

> Hang on lads, I've got an idea...
> 
> Is it possibe, via arexx, to write a variant of the windows Desktop.
> Windows just copies all files from the Windows/Desktop directory and
> displays them on the desktop (with me so far?).
> 
> Could a script be written to read the names of files in a 
> directory such as Work:desktop/ , and write them to that
> drives .backdrop file?  (or all drives).
> 
> I'd have a go myself, but theres two problems:
> a) I'm no whizz with arexx,
> b) My Amiga won't work at the moment.(big problem!)
> 
> so could someone else try?  Maybe it could be in the 
> magazine.  (gwan Ben).

Sounds neat... hmmm... but why did you think ARexx? ARexx is slow and
crap, when you could just as easily write it in C - all you'd need
is a notification set up on the Work:Desktop to catch writes into
there, same for each .backdrop file on all mounted volumes... write
.backdrop files accordingly, and be able to refresh the workbench
desktop (ahh, I see this is where WB's ARexx port comes in handy,
although using C to plug stuff into it's MsgPort isn't hard, in fact
will be faster..)

It would be pretty similar in operation to those neat global trashcans
(Hey! Use GlobalTrash everybody! It's dead good!) 

I'm not doing it, though :)

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Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

Hi Andrew,

> Is it possibe, via arexx, to write a variant of the windows Desktop.
> Windows just copies all files from the Windows/Desktop directory and
> displays them on the desktop (with me so far?).

Directory Opus already does this and can give you the little arrows on
left-out files as well if you like.

All the best,
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HELP!

Has anyone got a working VBCC installation that I can 'borrow'?

Somehow I've managed to cock mine up something rotten, I can't
compile even the smallest Hello World! apps, and my larger
projects are throwing errors EVERYWHERE where they never did
before for no reason..

All I need is a VBCC set up for amigam68k compiling (no WarpOS
or anything) I don't need the includes (I have those) but if
possible a script to generate libs from .fd files and name them
correctly  might be nice (I'm sure SOMEONE managed to do that,
mine all come out as exec_lib.lib 'cos I just listed the files
and tacked on an extension.. hey, could that be it?)

And any strange hints on how to get the thing configured nicely,
and any nice apps that may be floating around that make project
management easier (not PMM though, it sucks)..

Please help!

I really need to get back into my code before I get too pissed
off, or I'll hate myself for not finishing them. Damn you VBCC
for being such a bitch!

Thanks :)

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Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

Hi Matt

On 20-Oct-99, you wrote:

> HELP!
> 
> Has anyone got a working VBCC installation that I can 'borrow'?

Why?

Just unpack the archive to where you wish to live.

Then:

CD vbcc/machines/amiga
Execute init_vbcc

Voila!

You'll need to put the system includes somewhere. On my set up I have these
in a separate dir and share them between several compilers. If you follow
this method you would have to add the -I option to add this dir to vbcc's
search path for includes. It's probably a better idea to edit the config
line to adds this option. E.g.:

-pp=vcpp -Ivincludem68k: -Imy_include_dir -D__STDC__=1 %s %s %s

> And any strange hints on how to get the thing configured nicely,
> and any nice apps that may be floating around that make project
> management easier (not PMM though, it sucks)..

Well, I'm writing one, but in the 7 months or so that I've been at AF I've
only had the time to spend about an hour a month to work on it. :(

> Please help!
> 
> I really need to get back into my code before I get too pissed
> off, or I'll hate myself for not finishing them. Damn you VBCC
> for being such a bitch!

Tsk! Tsk! It's not have as much a 'bitch' as gcc.

If you could be more specific at what problems you are encountering I may be
able to help.

Cheers,
Rich

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phone : +44 (0)1225 442244 ext 2417

If, for some reason, anyone should want to email me at home my address
has changed.  It is now:

sam@biffordyoungest.u-net.com

so as you can see I`ve gone with Wirenet - and I suggest you do to as
they`re about to give free calls during the weekend (0800 number).

Yours,

Bifford the Youngest.

> 1. I already only use my Amiga as another machine			5
> 2. I use my Amiga less and less these days :(			5
> 3. I use my Amiga for specific tasks			7
> 4. I use my Amiga when I can, but have to use other machines against
my will			14
> 5. I find I can do most everything I want on my Amiga			27
> 6. They'll bury me with my Amiga			39
> 

We still seem to be getting a really useless amount of voters voting.
(ooh - good English there!)

The results are interesting though: personnaly I would have liked to
say they'll bury me with my Miggy but I had to answer 4 as theres just
not enough power or modern requirements in my 1200T.  Viz a viz - I
have to use the PCs and MACs at uni.

Bifford the Youngest.

> Hi Matt
> 
> On 20-Oct-99, you wrote:
> 
> > HELP!
> > 
> > Has anyone got a working VBCC installation that I can 'borrow'?
> 
> Why?
> 
> Just unpack the archive to where you wish to live.
> 
> Then:
> 
> CD vbcc/machines/amiga
> Execute init_vbcc
> 
> Voila!

You'd think it'd stay working for more than 3 months at a time,
though, wouldn't you? *sigh* I'll do that anyway. I thought I
might have been doing something hideously wrong somewhere..
 
> You'll need to put the system includes somewhere. On my set 
> up I have these in a separate dir and share them between
> several compilers. If you follow this method you would
> have to add the -I option to add this dir to vbcc's
> search path for includes. It's probably a better idea to edit 
> the configline to adds this option. E.g.:
> 
> -pp=vcpp -Ivincludem68k: -Imy_include_dir -D__STDC__=1 %s %s %s

Ahhhhhaaahahhaha! So I could have all my includes in Include: like
I used to have (and still have) and use them like that? Whaa! Thanks
Richy, I'd never have realised without that subtle hint :)

(this is in vc.config, right?)

I've had them in the machines/amiga68k/include directory, and it
annoyed me for ages. It never did me any harm, but this is easier
now and more condusive to my disk layout system :)

> > And any strange hints on how to get the thing configured nicely,
> > and any nice apps that may be floating around that make project
> > management easier (not PMM though, it sucks)..
> 
> Well, I'm writing one, but in the 7 months or so that I've 
> been at AF I've only had the time to spend about an hour a
> month to work on it. :(

Aww. I think messing with PMM may have done something, because that's
the only modification I made to my setup beyond making it compile for
68000 and IEEE maths when I first set it up.

> > Please help!
> > 
> > I really need to get back into my code before I get too pissed
> > off, or I'll hate myself for not finishing them. Damn you VBCC
> > for being such a bitch!
> 
> Tsk! Tsk! It's not have as much a 'bitch' as gcc.

You're right :)
 
> If you could be more specific at what problems you are 
> encountering I may be able to help.

When I compile a hello world 

#include <stdio.h>

int main()
{
	int value=10;
	printf("Hello World! %d\n", value);
	return(0);
}

It comes up with undefined symbols on vc.lib. This never happened
before, as I have three versions of this app with the number 10
changed every time, which I did to test if the thing was working.

No such luck, as when I tried to compile something the other week,
it chucked out a ton of errors. When I couldn't find a THING wrong
in the code I cursed PMM and checked if helloworld10.c actually
compiled, and lo and behold it exploded on linking.

As for the bigger app, I just get stupid errors like

int temp; /* temporary variable :) */

(which is the first line in my app apart from the includes,
and 'int main() {')

is flagged as invalid use of the keyword 'int' - it thinks I'm
trying to use the word 'int' as a variable name according to the
docs! Quite why, I don't know. Bloody compilers.
I'll forward you an output tomorrow..

All I want to know is why the hell can't there be a compiler
that just installs with an installer and LET ME CODE with no
hassles, and no faffy idiot-proof IDE to soak my memory up when
all I need is a button to say "compile" and a button to say "link".

I want to program, not configure obscure options!

Grrr..

-- 
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Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

> If, for some reason, anyone should want to email me at home my address
> has changed.  It is now:
> 
> sam@biffordyoungest.u-net.com

's a bit sparse is your webpage, melad :)

(BTW can someone check http://www.neko.u-net.com/beta/template.html and
make sure the Javascript works on Voyager and IBrowse 2.1 as I had trouble
when I programmed it at home, but it works fine in IE5 now..)

> so as you can see I`ve gone with Wirenet - and I suggest you do to as
> they`re about to give free calls during the weekend (0800 number).

I can see where all your student grant is going :)
 
-- 
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Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

> > If, for some reason, anyone should want to email me at home my
address
> > has changed.  It is now:
> > 
> > sam@biffordyoungest.u-net.com
> 
> 's a bit sparse is your webpage, melad :)
> 
Probably because I havnt had a chance to teach myself how to create a
web page yet.  I'll get around to it eventually (I have all the
relevant AFs open to the right page on my floor - I just havnt bothered
to read them yet!)

> > so as you can see I`ve gone with Wirenet - and I suggest you do to
as
> > they`re about to give free calls during the weekend (0800 number).
> 
> I can see where all your student grant is going :)
>  
:)   Big time!  Especially as Im on #AmIRC on IRCnet from about 8pm -
2am Fri, Sat, Sun.!  Catch me there and say hi.  This is where the free
0800 number will *really* come in handy!

Bifford the Youngest.

> eh?
> 
> well, firstly, go to the amisoc pages - they give extra hints for that
> APUS Amiga format supplied.... also, visit the proper APUS
> place! In fact, i'm sure theres now a WWW page devoted to supporting
> those who've come to APUS via Amiga Format's great introduction.

Can some one tell me the address please

When installing redhat when it starts to install it comes up with
mount failed: invalid argumnet 
any ideas as to why?
> by the way, Ben, can we please have some latest Amiga 68k and APUS
linux
> files on the CD each month?? look at the web link below for some
great
> files to include!!
> 
> you might want to also go to http://welcome.to/apus
> 
> > does red hat run on all machines or is there system specific
versions?

I was meaning does the same version of redhat run on pc and amigas or
are there different versions.

> err, it should run on basic amigas with extra hardware being
supported
> in *most* cases..read the FAQ's
>  

> > > If, for some reason, anyone should want to email me at home my
> > > address has changed.  It is now:
> > > 
> > > sam@biffordyoungest.u-net.com
> > 
> > 's a bit sparse is your webpage, melad :)
> 
> Probably because I havnt had a chance to teach myself how to create a
> web page yet.

<html><head><title>Sam B's Webpage</title></head><body>This webpage is not
here yet!</body></html>

:)

> I'll get around to it eventually (I have all the
> relevant AFs open to the right page on my floor - I just 
> havnt bothered to read them yet!)

Heh. TBH I found the tutorials in CU better, if a little more
spread out..

> > > so as you can see I`ve gone with Wirenet - and I suggest you do to
> > > as they`re about to give free calls during the weekend (0800 number).
> > 
> > I can see where all your student grant is going :)
> 
> :)   Big time!  Especially as Im on #AmIRC on IRCnet from about 8pm -
> 2am Fri, Sat, Sun.!  Catch me there and say hi. 

Do you mind if I don't? I'm om #amiga on amiganet.org and #moobunny
on babylon.beyondirc.net most of the time, another channel (especially
one with Gaz Murfin in?) would probably break my head :)

> This is  where the free 0800 number will *really* come in handy!

I suppose so..

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Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

People
My cousin's just started at Bristol uni (I *think* it's Bristol - we aint too
close....) and is staying in what I can only describe as "posh" halls of
residence, where they have semi-formal evening meals and all that sort of sh*te.
Why am I telling you this?
Because in his halls there's an ethernet socket in every room, diectly connected
to the campus network!  Free access whenever they want it and faster than a
dialup connection.  I was just wondering if any of the students on this list
have a similar kinda thing at their college....

RobM
__________________________________________________
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E-mail: marrisr@uk.ibm.com, Phone: +44 1962 817206
__________________________________________________

On Tue, 19 Oct 1999 19:31:49 +0100, Neil Bullock wibbled=2E=2E=2E

> > > http://www=2Eitv=2Ethismorning=2Eco=2Euk is what it said=2E The point=
 is, is it
> > > possible to have a subdomain after the main domain (like above) or ha=
ve
> > > ITV just registered www=2Ethismorning=2Eco=2Euk and added an itv subd=
omain? If
> > > so, what's the point? :)
> >   I'd say they were just being pointless=2E  It this case thismorning=
=2Eco=2Euk
> > is the main domain=2E  So it's not possible to swap them around, otherw=
ise
> > you'd be able to tread on alot of peoples toes=2E ;)=20=20
> Hmmm=2E=2E=2E I think I get it=2E Thanks ;) Dunno why I wanted to know re=
ally=2E

It's all because ITV are rebranding the whole network; the This
Morning production team must've thought it a good idea to register
their own domain, but Network Centre will have insisted on getting the
'ITV' bit in there as well=2E

Watch out for generic ITV regional branding coming soon=2E Hey, they've
already tried it once and failed dismally, why not try it again? :/

--=20
*The Wibble - http://www=2Ethewibble=2Eco=2Euk - We Are One Year Old And No=
 Wiser*
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Hi Matt

On 20-Oct-99, you wrote:

> Ahhhhhaaahahhaha! So I could have all my includes in Include: like
> I used to have (and still have) and use them like that? Whaa! Thanks
> Richy, I'd never have realised without that subtle hint :)
> 
> (this is in vc.config, right?)

Yep. (Oops, I meant to say that.)


> When I compile a hello world 

It's difficult to guess what's going wrong without more info.

VBCC is very strict on ANSI. It doesn't let you do stuff other compilers,
might let you get away with. It took me ages to get out of the habit of
mixing code and declarations in a block - the way you can with DICE. 

> All I want to know is why the hell can't there be a compiler
> that just installs with an installer and LET ME CODE with no
> hassles, and no faffy idiot-proof IDE to soak my memory up when
> all I need is a button to say "compile" and a button to say "link".

HiSoft C/C++ is fairly idiot proof and has got a good GUI.
 
Cheers,
Rich

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Staff Writer, Amiga Format

mailto: richard.drummond@futurenet.co.uk
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phone : +44 (0)1225 442244 ext 2417

Hi Rob,

> Why am I telling you this?
> Because in his halls there's an ethernet socket in every room,
diectly connected
> to the campus network!  Free access whenever they want it and faster
than a
> dialup connection.  I was just wondering if any of the students on
this list
> have a similar kinda thing at their college....


Bugger! No.

Not in halls but if I had been I would have still only had
dialup......is he allowed to stay in hall for all his years there or
does he get chucked out after the first year, as Surrey users do?

Bifford the Youngest.

> Hi Matt
> 
> On 20-Oct-99, you wrote:
> 
> > When I compile a hello world 
> 
> It's difficult to guess what's going wrong without more info.

You saw that code block, right? 
 
> VBCC is very strict on ANSI. 

That IS strict ANSI C, isn't it? It's sure nothing complicated.

> other compilers, might let you get away with. It took me ages to
> get out of the habit of mixing code and declarations in a block
> - the way you can with DICE. 

Even if I turn strictness off it complains :) -+ I think it is..

> > All I want to know is why the hell can't there be a compiler
> > that just installs with an installer and LET ME CODE with no
> > hassles, and no faffy idiot-proof IDE to soak my memory up when
> > all I need is a button to say "compile" and a button to say "link".
> 
> HiSoft C/C++ is fairly idiot proof and has got a good GUI.

Actually I meant to say I don't want a faffy GUI, just something
that compiles code. I can either use GCC (the arse end of compilers)
or StormC (although not after Stef Haeusser ranted at you in Letters
this month - what a DORK!). I thought VBCC might have been the 
mid-range sort of thing, with niceness AND a shell interface, but
it's just as much of a pig to keep working as egcs was!

Ah well.

-- 
Matt Sealey mws2@le.ac.uk 
Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

"neil bullock" <tsof-@tsoft.screaming.net> wrote: 
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/afb/?start=33059
> Hi,
> 
> Anyone know how to be able to run CGI scripts using the <IMG>
tag? Or is there
> another tag to do it?<p>

CGI scripts are run by the server.  When a browser asks fot the file,
the server notices it's a script, runs it and gives the output to the
browser - as far as the browser is concerned, all it got was a regular
file.<p>

To get the cgi script to be recognised as such by the server you have
to set certain properties (depending on the server). This might be
something like setting a script attribute, giving it a .cgi enxtension
or putting it in a certain folder (or all three).  In unix you usually
put something like:<P>

#! /usr/bin/perl<p>

at the top of your script, which would instruct the system that to run
this program you should use /usr/bin/perl.<p>

Because you are bypassing the server output, you have to supply your
own http header to tell the browser what exactly it's getting.  The
http header is the first thing output by your script, with the actual
data seperated by a blank line.<p>

e.g. <P>

Content-type: text/html<br>
<br>
<html>This is the actual page...<p>

if perl you would do something like <p>

print "Content-type: text/html\n\n";<p>

Naturally, the mime type changes depending on what you send (look at
your browser prefs for a list of them).<p>
Other useful http header tags include:<p>
Location: url<br>
redirect browser to url.<p>
Set-Cookie: cookie<br>
sets a cookie<p>
Netscape's developers site has lots of useful docs on things like http
headers and cookies.<p.
other usefule perl sites are:<p>
<a href=http://www.itp.tsoa.nyu.edu/~student/jamie/help/cgi-perl/>http:
//www.itp.tsoa.nyu.edu/~student/jamie/help/cgi-perl/</A><p>
<a href=http://www.itp.tsoa.nyu.edu/~student/jamie/help/cgi-perl/>http:
//www.itp.tsoa.nyu.edu/~student/jamie/help/cgi-perl/</a><p>

	Thomas Cobb

> My cousin's just started at Bristol uni (I *think* it's 
> Bristol - we aint too close....) and is staying in what
> I can only describe as  "posh" halls of residence, where
> they have semi-formal evening meals and all that sort of
> sh*te.

That sounds a bit over-the-top, almost sheltered. How do
they expect students to know what real life is like if they
are spoon-fed everything until they're 25?

> Why am I telling you this?
> Because in his halls there's an ethernet socket in every 
> room, diectly connected to the campus network!  Free access

I think you'll find that your "posh" cousin will be paying
over the odds for his room there, whereas lesser students
who opt not to have the ethernet connection and the fancy
meals will be living on the cheap, and getting loads of
spare money :)

The halls at our uni don't have ethernet connections, but that's
only 'cos we haven't installed a line down there because half
out techs can't drive (how would we get there?) and we can't be
arsed to support them with their multifarious setups.

-- 
Matt Sealey mws2@le.ac.uk 
Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

On Tue, Feb 21, 1978 at 04:07:58PM -0500, Oliver Marks wrote:

> I was meaning does the same version of redhat run on pc and amigas or
> are there different versions.

In general it's the same software except it's been compiled for a
different processor. The main exception is the kernel - at the moment 2.2
kernels have to be patched to make them fully compatible with 68K and PPC
systems, and different compile options will be enabled to support the
Amiga hardware.

-- 
Matthew Garrett | mjg59@cam.ac.uk

>> Why am I telling you this?
>> Because in his halls there's an ethernet socket in every room, diectly
connected
>> to the campus network!  Free access whenever they want it and faster than a
>> dialup connection.  I was just wondering if any of the students on this list
>> have a similar kinda thing at their college....

> Bugger! No.

> Not in halls but if I had been I would have still only had
> dialup......is he allowed to stay in hall for all his years there or
> does he get chucked out after the first year, as Surrey users do?

Hi Sam
I assume he's allowed to stay there for the first year only (which seems pretty
much standard theses days), but as it's posh halls, and the rules are usually
different for those with the cash..... dunno!

RobM

On Wed, Oct 20, 1999 at 01:18:58PM +0100, MARRISR@uk.ibm.com wrote:

> Because in his halls there's an ethernet socket in every room, diectly connected
> to the campus network!  Free access whenever they want it and faster than a
> dialup connection.  I was just wondering if any of the students on this list
> have a similar kinda thing at their college....

Yup - the standard varies in Cambridge, but Jesus (which I'm at) has
network connections in every room owned by the college except three -
including the houses that are outside the college site itself. So, I've
got a rather nice room in a house with a nice kitchen and a nice bathroom
and a nice 10Mbit ethernet connection :)

(Oh, and any joy with that AIX tape yet? :) )

-- 
Matthew Garrett | mjg59@cam.ac.uk

twist <twiste-@marshallcl.screaming.net> wrote: 
> Hi there
> 
> > I'm thinking about using my amiga for linux, does anyone know a good
> > place to get it and if I can keep my original amiga setup but run
linux
> > if i want to.
>  
> you can get Linux from:
> #http://ftp.unina.it/pub/#

I've gone through and found my way into v2.3 for 68K. I got a list of
files and i don't know what to download. can someone tell me which of
these to download :-

 linux-2.3.13-native.d..12-Aug-1999 15:51   252k  
 linux-2.3.13.diff.gz   12-Aug-1999 15:51   1.8M  
 linux-2.3.13.tar.gz    12-Aug-1999 15:54  14.3M  
 linux-2.3.14-native.d..19-Aug-1999 17:00   128k  
 linux-2.3.14.diff.gz   19-Aug-1999 17:05   706k  
 linux-2.3.14.tar.gz    19-Aug-1999 17:02  14.4M  
 linux-2.3.16-native.d..03-Sep-1999 16:18   282k  
 linux-2.3.16.diff.gz   03-Sep-1999 16:19   2.3M  
 linux-2.3.16.tar.gz    03-Sep-1999 16:21  15.3M  
 linux-2.3.6-native.di..27-Jun-1999 18:35   257k  
 linux-2.3.6.diff.gz    27-Jun-1999 18:35   1.3M  
 linux-2.3.6.tar.gz     27-Jun-1999 18:38  13.8M

               thanks
                    necronlord  

>> I can only describe as  "posh" halls of residence, where
>> they have semi-formal evening meals and all that sort of
>> sh*te.

> That sounds a bit over-the-top, almost sheltered. How do
> they expect students to know what real life is like if they
> are spoon-fed everything until they're 25?

I couldn't agree more - *part* of being a student is learning how to rely on
yourself - but some people will never do it.

> I think you'll find that your "posh" cousin will be paying
> over the odds for his room there, whereas lesser students

Agreed.  Again.  Say something controversial Matt!!  I can't handle this
pleasantness!  :)

> who opt not to have the ethernet connection and the fancy
> meals will be living on the cheap, and getting loads of
> spare money :)

Well yes and no.  The posh `uns will never be worried about money (unless you
count "I can't afford a brand new car this month"), whereas the skint ones will
be living cheap but *still* have little money to spare.  I remember the days....

> The halls at our uni don't have ethernet connections, but that's
> only 'cos we haven't installed a line down there because half
> out techs can't drive (how would we get there?) and we can't be
> arsed to support them with their multifarious setups.

Ah you network support types - on a par with Unix consultants....

RobM

Hello Thomas

On 19-Oct-99, you wrote:

> A Flash plugin's been ready for iB for ages... but the author is having
> problems (such as not having a phone line)...

  Reminds me of a brilliant American student who had only failed to learn
reading :)

  Patrice

Hello Thomas

On 19-Oct-99, you wrote:

> Heh, didn't know you'd left... 

  Oh, no! This one's /mine/! I should have asked for copyrights :-)

  Patrice

Hello!

On 20-Oct-99, you wrote:

> I've had a 4.3 Gb HD for some time now and it has functioned
> excellently. However recently, when I looked in HDToolbox, the HD is
> not recognised. Some help please?

  May I suggest you to try some other HD utility,  or even a different version
of HDToolbox? The one I"ve got on v3.1 "install" disk doesn't recognize *any*
HD!

  Patrice

Hello M.

On 20-Oct-99, you wrote:

> I have that issue, but we want MODERN sexy babes :) That issue
> is 3 years old!

  Seen on TV : 20% discount for your new girlfriend if you give back the old
one in fairly good condition :>

  Patrice

Hello amipal@yahoo.com

On 20-Oct-99, you wrote:

>> I've had a 4.3 Gb HD for some time now and it has functioned
>> excellently. However recently, when I looked in HDToolbox, the HD is
>> not recognised. Some help please?
> 
> Well, not that long, probably about a year, so it can't be anything to
> do with age.

 / And I think the inverse is true/, Ioneco would have said.

  Patrice

marris-@uk.ibm.com wrote: 
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/afb/?start=33142
> 
> 
> People
> My cousin's just started at Bristol uni (I *think* it's Bristol - we
aint too
> close....) and is staying in what I can only describe as "posh" halls
of
> residence, where they have semi-formal evening meals and all that
sort of sh*te.
> Why am I telling you this?
> Because in his halls there's an ethernet socket in every room,
diectly connected
> to the campus network!  Free access whenever they want it and faster
than a
> dialup connection.  I was just wondering if any of the students on
this list
> have a similar kinda thing at their college....

Here at imperial college, two halls are connected to the college
network and the rest should be connected once they get refurbished
(soon apparently...), but this is in a deal with ericson to update the
college internal phone/network so it's likely students will be charged
if they want to use the connection.  It's also only part of the college
system - the department of computing has there own seperate system and
it's much, much nicer =).  Also, only first years get places in halls. 
Personally, I download large amounts of stuff at college, burn it to cd
and take it home.

	Thomas Cobb

> I have that issue, but we want MODERN sexy babes :) That issue
> is 3 years old!

Has someone told you sex changes like fashion???  :)

RobM

> > I have that issue, but we want MODERN sexy babes :) That issue
> > is 3 years old!
> 
> Has someone told you sex changes like fashion???  :)

?

:P

Well I was just thinking:

* Blonde babe in jumper with shopping basket

* Brunette dressed as a teacher with a big stick and a tight top on

Which do you prefer? Fnaarr fnaarr!

-- 
Matt Sealey mws2@le.ac.uk 
Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

Nothing ever goes smoothly does it ?  I'm sitting around waiting for 
Phase5 and co. to let us have G4 accelerators when I read (in CTO 
and PC Dealer) that the G4 chips have bugs in!  Something about 
the data cache causing corruption.  The article I've read says that 
it's only on 500Mhz and up so maybe there is some hope.  (not 
been much of that around in the Amiga world lately)

Ah well, anything else been happening in the world ?  And does 
anyone know if that Amirage thing is going to be for real or just a 
dream at the moment ?

Regards

Mark

Thomas Hurst wrote:
> 
> Hi
> 
> On 13-Oct-99 18:13:52, Alkis Tsapanidis (dial@otenet.gr) wrote:
> 
> >     What about starting a POLL about our HD partitions'
> > names
> 
> Screw partition names, how about computer names? :)
> 
Well thats just as pointless.
Here are mine =P

Amiga= Marian
P90= BabelTower (cos it ceeps burning down)
Dragon32= Uselessboxinbottemofdrawer
[snip]
> Oh.. and to keep on topic and boring;
[snip]

Unit      Size    Used    Free Full Errs   Status   Name
DH0:       81M   every    none 999%  yes    Crap    Marian
                  damn
                   bit

-curry
-- 
Helraiser Meets the Computer Industry:

"Nobody escapes us!" - Microsoft
"We will tear your souls apart!" - Gateway to Amiga users

> Nothing ever goes smoothly does it ?  I'm sitting around waiting for 
> Phase5 and co. to let us have G4 accelerators when I read (in CTO 
> and PC Dealer) that the G4 chips have bugs in!  Something about 
> the data cache causing corruption.  The article I've read says that 
> it's only on 500Mhz and up so maybe there is some hope.  (not 
> been much of that around in the Amiga world lately)

It's been fixed, don't worry. That news is SOOO old it's
unbeleivable. Rest assured when they start making 500Mhz G4
chips you won't notice any strange bugs.
 
-- 
Matt Sealey mws2@le.ac.uk 
Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

> Well I was just thinking:

> * Blonde babe in jumper with shopping basket

> * Brunette dressed as a teacher with a big stick and a tight top on

> Which do you prefer? Fnaarr fnaarr!

You should have included red-head dressed in stockings, with....
Oh dear.  </porn_mode>.  That's better.
:)

RobM

> Nothing ever goes smoothly does it ?  I'm sitting around waiting for
> Phase5 and co. to let us have G4 accelerators when I read (in CTO
> and PC Dealer) that the G4 chips have bugs in!  Something about

Don't worry Mark - *every* processor has bugs.  Some big (remember the Pentium
fiasco?), some small.  It'll be alright!!

RobM

> > * Brunette dressed as a teacher with a big stick and a tight top on
> >=20
> > Which do you prefer? Fnaarr fnaarr!
>=20
> You should have included red-head dressed in stockings, with....
> Oh dear.  </porn_mode>.  That's better.
> :)

I vote that Ben puts some Anim=E9 porn on the front of the Christmas
issue. There's a load of it on CUCD21 I hear :)

--=20
Matt Sealey mws2@le.ac.uk=20
Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

Hi Thomas,

<Big Snip>

 Also, only first years get places in halls. 
> Personally, I download large amounts of stuff at college, burn it to
cd
> and take it home.

Why bother waisting a CD - unless you have rewritable ones?  We use
Zips here, which for lha and lzx is more than enough (I've never filled
one with Amiga stuff yet :) )

Bifford the Youngest.

Oh - and our IT labs have just got a room full of new IMac G3s!  Damn!  
I told them they should have waited for the G4s though - only a little
more expensive but a hell of a lot faster.   

We'll show them when our G4s hit the shelves........

>   Seen on TV : 20% discount for your new girlfriend if you give back
the old
> one in fairly good condition :>
> 

LOL

Only 20%?

Cheap skate!


Bifford the Youngest.

Hi MARRISR@uk.ibm.com,

> of sh*te. Why am I telling you this? Because in his halls there's an
> ethernet socket in every room, diectly connected to the campus network!
> Free access whenever they want it and faster than a dialup connection. I
> was just wondering if any of the students on this list have a similar
> kinda thing at their college....

You think that's funky? In Japan, all public telephone have ISDN access.
They've all got a port on the front...

All the best,
-- 
Ben Vost (x2337)                T: (+44) 01225 442244
Editor, Amiga Format            F: (+44) 01225 732275
             PGP key available upon request
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Amiga and DOpusWBR - a match made in computing heaven.

> Unit      Size    Used    Free Full Errs   Status   Name
> DH0:       81M   every    none 999%  yes    Crap    Marian

Where do I recognise the word Marian from?

RobM

Sealey, M. wrote:
> 
> I vote that Ben puts some Anim porn on the front of the Christmas
> issue. There's a load of it on CUCD21 I hear :)

No! This just makes everone think that Manga is a cheap excuse for
porno.
Ok, so alot of it is. But there's a hefty chunk of it which isn't.
-curry

-- 
Helraiser Meets the Computer Industry:

"Nobody escapes us!" - Microsoft
"We will tear your souls apart!" - Gateway to Amiga users

> I vote that Ben puts some Anim=E9 porn on the front of the Christmas
> issue. There's a load of it on CUCD21 I hear :)

It doesn't even have to be anime... hang on, we want the mag to be publ=
ished
don't we...

RobM
=

> Why bother waisting a CD - unless you have rewritable ones?  We use
> Zips here, which for lha and lzx is more than enough (I've never filled
> one with Amiga stuff yet :) )

Because he may not have a Zip, but *everyone's* got a CDROM drive (so it's also
more portable than a zip).  70p (ish) for a blank CD aint gonna break the bank.

RobM

Hello Neil Bothwick, on 20-Oct-99 08:19:34 you said about:
  [afb] Re: HTML4 

[snip]

>Another example of people only writing HTML for specific versions of
>specific browsers. There's a site I need to visit regularly, almost
>daily, that does this. The navigation bar shows as dark blue text on a
>darker blue background, the only way to read the links is to click on
>them :(

If you use Ibrowse or V, you could view source and change the
background to make the links readable (as long as the design/code
allows it, of course).

-- 
 Andy Mills - http://www.wharne.u-net.com
 South West Amiga Group - http://www.swag.org.uk
 afb-ot's official webshite - http://www.afb-ot.the-works.org.uk
--
April Fools! You're really in a holodeck simulation!

Hello Tim Seifert, on 20-Oct-99 05:48:12 you said about:
  [afb] Re: HTML4 

[snip]

>A big improvement, for those browsers that don't support it, would be to
>at least blank it out of the HTML display.  Even if they don't want to
>bother to write code to implement the CSS, it shouldn't be too hard for
>them to write code to find the beginning and end of CSS in an HTML
>page, and hide it.

At least iBrowse2 does now. Looks bloody horrible in iBrowse1.xx with
all that cack at the top of the window...

>CSS makes a thorough mess of some pages with that stuff splattered in
>it.  Also pages that depend on CSS for their formatting exclusively,
>are going to look pretty horrible without out it.

IMO, CSS and javascript should only be used to /enhance/ pages. Not as a
lot of people seem to be doing lately and making pages /rely/ on them...
:(

-- 
 Andy Mills - http://www.wharne.u-net.com
 South West Amiga Group - http://www.swag.org.uk
 afb-ot's official webshite - http://www.afb-ot.the-works.org.uk
--
"Here I sit all broken-hearted..." -- Elvis Presley

Hello amipal, on 20-Oct-99 11:20:37 you said about:
  [afb] Re: HD worries 

>Well, not that long, probably about a year, so it can't be anything to
>do with age.

Age doesn't matter, your hard drive could pack up 5 minutes after you
installed it...

-- 
 Andy Mills - http://www.wharne.u-net.com
 South West Amiga Group - http://www.swag.org.uk
 afb-ot's official webshite - http://www.afb-ot.the-works.org.uk
--
I'll deal with today tomorrow.

> No! This just makes everone think that Manga is a cheap excuse for porno.

Don't worry - I've always thought that!!

RobM

MARRISR@uk.ibm.com wrote:
> 
> > Unit      Size    Used    Free Full Errs   Status   Name
> > DH0:       81M   every    none 999%  yes    Crap    Marian
> 
> Where do I recognise the word Marian from?
> 
Well, its the name of the 'pute the drive is installed in... and it's
also the name of a song.

-curry
-- 
Helraiser Meets the Computer Industry:

"Nobody escapes us!" - Microsoft
"We will tear your souls apart!" - Gateway to Amiga users

> You think that's funky? In Japan, all public telephone have ISDN access.
> They've all got a port on the front...

Flash bastards.... :)
But seriously, the Japanese always seem to be first with this sort of thing...

RobM

> Sealey, M. wrote:
> >=20
> > I vote that Ben puts some Anim=E9 porn on the front of the =
Christmas
> > issue. There's a load of it on CUCD21 I hear :)
>=20
> No! This just makes everone think that Manga is a cheap excuse for
> porno. Ok, so alot of it is. But there's a hefty chunk of it which
> isn't.

They can think of Manga what they like, but I'm talking about Anim=E9
which is a subtley different thing - i.e. it's a genre not some
company.

Besides, the people who would think that Anim=E9 roughly translates
to porn don't watch it anyway, and no fans would be lost through
the proliferation of mucky imagery.. in fact I suspect it would
enhance the fanbase to include dirty ol' men :)

--=20
Matt Sealey mws2@le.ac.uk=20
Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

MARRISR@uk.ibm.com wrote:
> 
> > No! This just makes everone think that Manga is a cheap excuse for porno.
> 
> Don't worry - I've always thought that!!
> 
But you aren't everyone. And besides, thats no reason to perpetuate
inacuracy.

-- 
Helraiser Meets the Computer Industry:

"Nobody escapes us!" - Microsoft
"We will tear your souls apart!" - Gateway to Amiga users

A Timiney <XATIMINEY@knowles-hill.devon.sch.uk> wrote:

> No! This just makes everone think that Manga is a cheap excuse for
> porno.
> Ok, so alot of it is. But there's a hefty chunk of it which isn't.
> -curry

Amen to that! The view of the western folks on manga is quite distorted .=
 but
this is because the companies (justifiably, though) think that porn sells=
 the
best, so they translate only that...

But fortunately we have such enlightened companies as Viz, Dark Horse and=

Studio Proteus (just to name a few) who know that quality sells just as w=
ell.
So, we can enjoy such excellent manga as Blade of the Immortal and Masamu=
ne
Shirow's works here, too.

And yeah, don't confuse manga and Anime; manga is the printed stuff, anim=
e is
the movie thing. ^_^


- Jani


____________________________________________________________________
Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webm=
ail.netscape.com.

> IMO, CSS and javascript should only be used to /enhance/ pages. Not as a
> lot of people seem to be doing lately and making pages /rely/ on them...
> :(

There's the problem - people never used to rely on computers, or telephones,
etc. - but once something's been around long enough people will begin to rely on
it.

RobM

Hi toffypops@hotmail.com

On 19-Oct-99, you wrote:

> I'm interested in knowing if anyone out there have,
> use or know of VR-gloves, motion trackers and glasses
> headsets that work with the Amiga?..

There's a couple of bits and pieces. There's some source code that is
intended to monitor the movement of an individual's fingers in a
dataglove, which is probably in the hardware directory of Aminet. you'd
need programming skills to make use of that though.

I remember a program called Navigator that was very speedy and could be
used to build a sort of VR environment, although I dunno where you can
get it from now...

Escom did the i-Glasses, which would work as a headset. Very expensive,a
lthough a lot cheaper now as second hand items. There were some
plans out there which let you connect a Sega (?) dataglove to the Amiga,
although these datagloves are in extremely short supply and are
difficult to lay your hands on these days.

I woldn't mind having some sort of dataglove to play about with,
especially so I could indulge my insane "Lawnmower Man"
fantasies...</oops said too much>

Regards,

Frost.
-- 
"Most of you here are too young to remember Virtual Reality..."

Hi Eddie

On 19-Oct-99, you wrote:

>> I've heard you can't record these - well, you can, but they've put
>> some sort of copyright thing in the signal and it messes up the
>> colours and makes the volume rise and fall periodically. Stops people
>> making copies of new films for 2.99... (The swines!)
> 
> You mean, like Macrovision on some video tapes ? Well, so much for the
> digital revolution then. If I'm paying 2.99 and I can't make a copy -
> well, then I'm *not* paying 2.99. I'll stick to the normal movie
> channels on Sky, I think.

Apparently so. I think that DVDs are doing the same to stop people
taping DVDs onto videos for their mates. Give it a few years, and people
will be able to chip them and get around such limitations... ;-)

Regards,

Frost.
-- 
Berserkers do it without thinking...

Hi MARRISR@uk.ibm.com

On 19-Oct-99, you wrote:

> 
> 
>> One of my best friend's works in the computer admin section of NTU -
>> do you think I should be evil and pass this along........... BTW, he
>> hates students!
> 
> Go on Frost!!!
> It'll teach the little prick that *everything* is traceable in this
> day and age!

It's done... :-)

Frost.
-- 
Always remember to pillage before you burn.

Hi folks,

When I bought my Netconnect pakage I also purchased ST Fax Pro. 
However the online help file isnt verry good and I have absolutly no
idea how to set the thing up.

Do I need a new telephone number? does the computer have to be online
all the time to receive faxes?  I know absolutely nothing about any of
this.

Help please!

A web page that gives a tutorial will do.  Hey - Ben: there's an idea
for a new tutorial for ya.

Thanx in advance.

Bifford the Youngest.

> > > No! This just makes everone think that Manga is a cheap excuse for porno.
> >
> > Don't worry - I've always thought that!!
> >
> But you aren't everyone. And besides, thats no reason to perpetuate inacuracy.

How do you know?  Maybe none of this is real and *all* the parts are being
played by the same person....
Or maybe I've been staring at my screen too long.... :)

RobM

> > You think that's funky? In Japan, all public telephone have ISDN
access.
> > They've all got a port on the front...
> 
> Flash bastards.... :)
> But seriously, the Japanese always seem to be first with this sort of
thing...
> 

Thats because theyre either:
a. the ones who invent the things before everyone else or
b. they are financial backers to the companies that create the things.

BtY

>> Go on Frost!!!
>> It'll teach the little prick that *everything* is traceable in this
>> day and age!

> It's done... :-)

Hey hey - the AFB-Mafia will get a reputation - great!

RobM

marris-@uk.ibm.com wrote: 
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/afb/?start=33127
> 
> 
> >> I've had a 4.3 Gb HD for some time now and it has functioned
> >> excellently. However recently, when I looked in HDToolbox, the HD
is
> >> not recognised. Some help please?
> 
> > Well, not that long, probably about a year, so it can't be anything
to
> > do with age.
> 
> Hard drives can fail regardless of age so don't dismiss it as a
possibility.
> Can you be more specific about HDToolbox - does "not recognised" mean
it doesn't
> see it at all?

Its status is "Changed", and none of the partitions show. I can only
access the first menu (can't think what its called at the mo).

Andrew wrote:
> 
> hi
> 
> When I turn on my A1200t (blizzard 1230/IV 32mb, squirrel scsi, 1.7gb ide
> hd) all i get is the floppy drive light on, and the hard drive clicks once.
> Then nothing.
> 
> Anyone any ideas on whats wrong.

Sounds like your PSU has packed in, to me. I'm pretty sure this is what
happened when my A1200 PSU packed in. That was just with a
typhoon1230/40Mhz 8Mb, 81Mb ide hd 

I can't imagine why it would die, though, as you are using a tower PSU,
but I would try checking that first. If you can get a voltmeter or multi
meter, connect it to your psu and check that the outer 2 cables (red and
brown, iirc) are at +5 and +12 volts (wrt the middle two)

hope this helps
-curry
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>> But seriously, the Japanese always seem to be first with this sort of
thing...
>>

> Thats because theyre either:
> a. the ones who invent the things before everyone else or
> b. they are financial backers to the companies that create the things.

Correct - but both points are mainly down to a common cause - they have faith in
new technology (as a nation), wheras in this country (UK) we always seem to get
things last because of a "let's wait and see if it works elsewhere" attitude.
Britain used to be a pioneering nation (the TV as a prime example) - thems was
the days...

RobM

> Its status is "Changed", and none of the partitions show. I can only
> access the first menu (can't think what its called at the mo).

Sounds very much like the drive is buggered (the fact that the drive is "seen"
but the partitions aren't visable suggests this).  If you can get hold of one,
try another drive in it's place just to see if it's recognised correctly - if it
is, then there's the problem....

RobM

> > Hard drives can fail regardless of age so don't dismiss it as a
> > possibility. Can you be more specific about HDToolbox - does "not 
> > recognised" mean it doesn't see it at all?
> 
> Its status is "Changed", and none of the partitions show. I can only
> access the first menu (can't think what its called at the mo).

I would recommend trying again with HDInstTools (hdinst.lha somewhere
on Aminet) or when you have OS3.5 (new HDToolBox y'see)

If the thing is still working than I doubt it'll be exploding, more
likely you've found yet-another-bug-in-HD-toolbox.

If it makes you feel better, when I plugged my 4.3 and 1.3Gb HDs
in (4.3 on master, 1.3 on slave) together it didn't see any hard
drives at all, even though it was RUNNING from one of them, and
the other was mounted and working on my desktop.

Basically - HDToolBox sucks :)

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University of Leicester

> Basically - HDToolBox sucks :)

Or it could be that.  :)

RobM

Hi MARRISR@uk.ibm.com,

>> You think that's funky? In Japan, all public telephone have ISDN access.
>> They've all got a port on the front...

> Flash bastards.... :)
> But seriously, the Japanese always seem to be first with this sort of
> thing...

The stuff I saw... however, they aren't in advance in everything. Banks are
a 1984 nightmare and ATMs don't take Visa cards from outside Japan (despite
having visa symbols on them) and all close at 8PM...

All the best,
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> > Hang on lads, I've got an idea...
> >
> > Is it possibe, via arexx, to write a variant of the windows Desktop.
> > Windows just copies all files from the Windows/Desktop directory and
> > displays them on the desktop (with me so far?).

> Sounds neat... hmmm... but why did you think ARexx? ARexx is slow and
> crap, when you could just as easily write it in C - all you'd need
> is a notification set up on the Work:Desktop to catch writes into
> there, same for each .backdrop file on all mounted volumes... write
> .backdrop files accordingly, and be able to refresh the workbench
> desktop (ahh, I see this is where WB's ARexx port comes in handy,
> although using C to plug stuff into it's MsgPort isn't hard, in fact
> will be faster..)

Ahh - my problem is that I haven't got the time to learn yet another
language - it's bleedin hard enough keeping up with HTML, Java, Javascript
as well as getting to grips with Blitz basic and arexx.  And I've just been
told by my boss to learn and install Perl on the bloomin PC.

Phew! Anymore languages and I'll forget English.

By the way - is there an advantage to learning C for a web programmer?

MARRISR@uk.ibm.com wrote:
> > But you aren't everyone. And besides, thats no reason to perpetuate inacuracy.
> 
> How do you know?  Maybe none of this is real and *all* the parts are being
> played by the same person....
> Or maybe I've been staring at my screen too long.... :)
> 
No, you'll find you've not been staring at the screen long enough for
your mental conditioning to be damaged sufficiently to realise that you
are actually in a giant computer game, being played by pandimensional
beings who are testing out their new self awareness software!!

Or are they....?

-curry

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Hi biffordyoungest@hotmail.com,

>> But seriously, the Japanese always seem to be first with this sort of
> thing...

> Thats because theyre either:
> a. the ones who invent the things before everyone else or
> b. they are financial backers to the companies that create the things.

The Japanese take a long-term view of almost everything, while the English
and Americans are all in it for a quick fix of cash. 

All the best,
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> > desktop (ahh, I see this is where WB's ARexx port comes in handy,
> > although using C to plug stuff into it's MsgPort isn't hard, in fact
> > will be faster..)
> 
> Ahh - my problem is that I haven't got the time to learn yet another
> language - it's bleedin hard enough keeping up with HTML, 
> Java, Javascript as well as getting to grips with Blitz basic
> and arexx.  And I've just been told by my boss to learn and install
> Perl on the bloomin PC.

A hint, then, if I may?

Ditch Blitz Basic. It'll do you more harm than good.

There, one less language :)

> By the way - is there an advantage to learning C for a web programmer?

The syntax is VERY similar to java and javascript - or is that the
other way round? It'll mean at least 3 of your languages are similar
enough to be interchangable, whereas something like Blitz will just
add confusion.

And besides, you can create cgi's in C, and have them be blindingly
fast - there are toolkits on the web for creating GIFs on the fly
using C, but not for Perl..

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Computer Centre
University of Leicester

> No, you'll find you've not been staring at the screen long enough for
> your mental conditioning to be damaged sufficiently to realise that
you
> are actually in a giant computer game, being played by pandimensional
> beings who are testing out their new self awareness software!!
> 
> Or are they....?


Oh come on......you may as well just watch "The Matrix."

(Ok - slight difference)

Bifford.

(You can see whose got time one their hands cant you!)

> > ....now why isnt such information published in your magazine???
>
> It has been on several occasions. Do you think we should have a section of
> repeated info the whole time?

Hey Ben,

Well why not a section of  random usefull tidbits, a did you know type thing,
that gives those little bits of info like did you know asimcdfs coverts etc....

Mark

Howsabout having another Linux distro on CD then?

Ones for m68k *and* PPC users? I have 2.5Gb of HD
space to 'waste' and I've gotten fed up of Mac
emulation (that'll be for my BoXeR when it arrives)
so I thought I'd see about Linux and stuff on
an 030.

Any chance of Debian 2.1 being put on a CD?

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Computer Centre
University of Leicester

Howsabout having a BSD distro on CD then?

Ones for m68k *and* PPC users? I have 2.5Gb of HD
space to 'waste' and I've gotten fed up of Mac
emulation (that'll be for my BoXeR when it arrives)
so I thought I'd see about BSD and stuff on
an 030.

Any chance of <pick BSD variant> being put on a CD?
 
:)

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Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

Hi Mark,

> Well why not a section of random usefull tidbits, a did you know type
> thing, that gives those little bits of info like did you know asimcdfs
> coverts etc....

The problem is that I take these things for granted. I've said them time and
time again, so I figure everyone else knows them by now too. The problem is
that thinking of random tidbits of info like that isn't easy spontaneously.
It's easy when someone asks for a specific piece of information, but not so
easy to recall it just off the top of your head.

All the best,
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try: http://www.iarchitect.com/msoft.htm

Hello Frost

On 20-Oct-99, you wrote:

[snip]> =

>> You mean, like Macrovision on some video tapes ? Well, so much for the=

>> digital revolution then. If I'm paying =A32.99 and I can't make a copy=
 -
>> well, then I'm *not* paying =A32.99. I'll stick to the normal movie
>> channels on Sky, I think.
> =

> Apparently so. I think that DVDs are doing the same to stop people
> taping DVDs onto videos for their mates. Give it a few years, and peopl=
e
> will be able to chip them and get around such limitations... ;-)
> =

Err....that "feature" *has* been available for years. ;-)

When I had my Pioneer DVD chipped for multi-region playback, I also had t=
he
Macrovision disabled.

Although you won't find me copying Region 1 DVD's and giving them to my
mates, especially film's that are available on DVD six months before thei=
r
cinema release over here.  Oh no......not me.  ;-)

Regards

chris
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biffordyounges-@hotmail.com wrote: 
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/afb/?start=33168
> > Personally, I download large amounts of stuff at college, burn it to
> cd
> > and take it home.
> 
> Why bother waisting a CD - unless you have rewritable ones?  We use
> Zips here, which for lha and lzx is more than enough (I've never
filled
> one with Amiga stuff yet :) )

Well one reason is I haven't got a zip drive yet (getting one very soon
though), and the other is that cds aren't that expensive.  For a pound
I can get 650Mb of permanent (I can keep it on the cd forever - no
having to move it off the zip disk to save space) storage, and I can
keep adding stuff to it by creating new sessions. I wouldn't want to
put RedHat Linux on zips when I can burn it straight to cd. Even when I
get my zip drive I'll still use the burner for big stuff.

	Thomas Cobb

> > sam@biffordyoungest.u-net.com
>
> 's a bit sparse is your webpage, melad :)

Another one who instantly checks people's websites when they give out their
email address, eh? :)

Neil

> Could a script be written to read the names of files in a directory such as
> Work:desktop/ , and write them to that drives .backdrop file?  (or all
> drives).

You could probably do that with AmigaDOS. Since I've nothing better to do,
I'll have a go :)

Neil

> > > sam@biffordyoungest.u-net.com
> >
> > 's a bit sparse is your webpage, melad :)
> 
> Another one who instantly checks people's websites when they 
> give out their email address, eh? :)

How about checking websites when they give you a URL, then?
Are you any good at that?

http://www.neko.u-net.com/beta/template.html

:)

Yes, I do check people's websites, just for a laugh. Moreso
when I have to find it out by working with their email address,
too, as it sorta implies they have something to hide by not
giving a URL :)

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Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

> 
> > * Blonde babe in jumper with shopping basket
> 
> > * Brunette dressed as a teacher with a big stick and a tight top on
> 
> > Which do you prefer? Fnaarr fnaarr!
> 
> You should have included red-head dressed in stockings, with....
> Oh dear.  </porn_mode>.  That's better.
> :)

I'd still prefer the first one :)

Neil - with neck-ache

> Because in his halls there's an ethernet socket in every room, diectly
connected
> to the campus network!  Free access whenever they want it and faster than a
> dialup connection.  I was just wondering if any of the students on this list
> have a similar kinda thing at their college....

No :) I'm not there much anyway.

Neil - on the first day of his two day 'holiday' every week (excl. Weekends)

> Well I was just thinking:
> 
> * Blonde babe in jumper with shopping basket
> 
> * Brunette dressed as a teacher with a big stick and a tight top on

The first one :)

Neil - freezing

> Naturally, the mime type changes depending on what you send (look at
> your browser prefs for a list of them).<p>
> Other useful http header tags include:<p>
> Location: url<br>
> redirect browser to url.<p>
> Set-Cookie: cookie<br>
> sets a cookie<p>
> Netscape's developers site has lots of useful docs on things like http
> headers and cookies.<p.

Cool, thanks :)

Neil

> Age doesn't matter, your hard drive could pack up 5 minutes after you
> installed it...

Mine did that. It was christmas a couple of years ago, and my original hard
disk had died. I was working on a borrowed one with a hand-installed WB2.04
installation that didn't work properly. The most I could do properly was play
Frontier (well, other games would work, but Frontier was the only one I played
:). After 2 weeks of this, Christmas finally came, and I got a nice 250(?)MB
hard disk. It worked. Then it stopped about 1 minute later. We rang Golden
Image when they're re-opened, told them, and they sent us a 400-and-a-bit MB
hard disk which also didn't work. We rang them again, and they sent us an
810MB hard disk which is now sitting in my Amiga with the first 200MB not in
use because it's full of hard errors.

Be needing a new one soon.

Neil - still freezing.

> > Another one who instantly checks people's websites when they 
> > give out their email address, eh? :)
> 
> How about checking websites when they give you a URL, then?
> Are you any good at that?

I went to you web page when you asked me to.  Only the index part works
- all other headings arent available.  But as you know it works with
NetScape and Im at Uni using PCs I didnt bother answering.  However -
it looks good so far :)

> 
> http://www.neko.u-net.com/beta/template.html
> 
> :)
> 
> Yes, I do check people's websites, just for a laugh. Moreso
> when I have to find it out by working with their email address,
> too, as it sorta implies they have something to hide by not
> giving a URL :)
> 

Nothing to hide cause I aint got a web page set up yet!


Bifford.

Hi M.,

> Ones for m68k *and* PPC users? I have 2.5Gb of HD

If you want 68k RedHat Linux, then you can buy it from Schatztruhe (we won't
put it on our CD).

> Any chance of Debian 2.1 being put on a CD?

Maybe.

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              Every bit of feedback helps

> Hi M.,
> 
> > Ones for m68k *and* PPC users? I have 2.5Gb of HD
> 
> If you want 68k RedHat Linux, then you can buy it from 
> Schatztruhe (we won't put it on our CD).

I don't want RedHat, 'cos RedHat sucks :)

> > Any chance of Debian 2.1 being put on a CD?
> 
> Maybe.

Hoorayyyyy!

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Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

> > > * Blonde babe in jumper with shopping basket
> > 
> > > * Brunette dressed as a teacher with a big stick and a tight top
on
> > 
> > > Which do you prefer? Fnaarr fnaarr!
> > 
> > You should have included red-head dressed in stockings, with....
> > Oh dear.  </porn_mode>.  That's better.
> > :)
> 
> I'd still prefer the first one :)

Personally I go for ladies with died red hair (the darker kind - not
the bright red shocks); A nice, tight hugging jumper (woolen
preferable); long legs with one of those slinky dresses with the slit
down the side (not the front - they look awfull) and nice shoes (high
heels if their not too high).

Oh, and a lovely personality.


(Im going to go jump from our top floor window now.......Don't try to
stop me!....Don't try to stop me.......Try to stop me....Now...try to
stop me.)
(Guess the film someone:) )

Bifford.

 
> > I'd still prefer the first one :)
> 
> Personally I go for ladies with died red hair (the darker kind - not
> the bright red shocks); A nice, tight hugging jumper (woolen
> preferable); long legs with one of those slinky dresses with the slit
> down the side (not the front - they look awfull) and nice shoes (high
> heels if their not too high).

Like Scully off the X-Files then? Coincidence?! The truth is out there!
 
:P

> Oh, and a lovely personality.

Having never met Gillian Anderson, I don't know, but I think you're
onto a winner there :)

> (Im going to go jump from our top floor window now.......Don't try to
> stop me!....Don't try to stop me.......Try to stop me....Now...try to
> stop me.)
> (Guess the film someone:) )

Ah! I know that! I can picture it in my head, hear the voices clear
as crystal!

/kiiiill! kill them alll!/

Whoops, wrong voices :)

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Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

> How about checking websites when they give you a URL, then?
> Are you any good at that?
> http://www.neko.u-net.com/beta/template.html
> :)

Oh, ok then, I'll take a look :)

> Yes, I do check people's websites, just for a laugh. Moreso
> when I have to find it out by working with their email address,
> too, as it sorta implies they have something to hide by not
> giving a URL :)

Ah... Right

Neil - http://www.trogsoft.co.uk

> Like Scully off the X-Files then? Coincidence?! The truth is out
there!

Actually - that one never crossed my mind.  Could be though.. could be!


> > (Im going to go jump from our top floor window now.......Don't try
to
> > stop me!....Don't try to stop me.......Try to stop me....Now...try
to
> > stop me.)
> > (Guess the film someone:) )
> 
> Ah! I know that! I can picture it in my head, hear the voices clear
> as crystal!
> 
> /kiiiill! kill them alll!/
> 
> Whoops, wrong voices :)
> 

LOL!
Now that comment made me laugh!
Big time.
Your as whacky as me me'thinks.
We'd better not meet each other - we might just be too much for this
little 'ol world to cope with together!

Bifford.

> How about checking websites when they give you a URL, then?
> Are you any good at that?
>
> http://www.neko.u-net.com/beta/template.html

Yeah it works :) But you know that, since you've already tested it in IE5,
which is what I'm using... just saving the source now to test it in iBrowse 2
demo (love that proggy)

Neil, not too cold anymore.

Hi all,

Power have got their copies of OS3.5 in stock. Give 'em a ring on (01234)=

851500 and tell 'em I sent you...

=A334.95 + =A35 P+P

All the best,
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> > Like Scully off the X-Files then? Coincidence?! The truth is out
> > there!
> 
> Actually - that one never crossed my mind.  Could be though.. 
> could be!

:)

> > > (Im going to go jump from our top floor window now.......Don't try
> > > to stop me!....Don't try to stop me.......Try to stop me....Now...try
> > > to stop me.) (Guess the film someone:) )
> > 
> > Ah! I know that! I can picture it in my head, hear the voices clear
> > as crystal!
> > 
> > /kiiiill! kill them alll!/
> > 
> > Whoops, wrong voices :)
> 
> LOL!  Now that comment made me laugh! Big time. Your as whacky
> as me me'thinks.

Oh yes. Most people think I'm vicious, unfriendly and arrogant. But I'm
actually the funniest guy on the planet (and go f*ck yourselves if you
think otherwise :)

</gratuitous_sarcasm_tag>

> We'd better not meet each other - we might just be too much for this
> little 'ol world to cope with together!

Uh-oh :)

BTW it's Will Smith, or that other guy (out of Bad Boys et al) isn't it?
No... now what *is* that film??? Hang on :)

-- 
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Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

> Hi all,
>=20
> Power have got their copies of OS3.5 in stock. Give 'em a=20
> ring on (01234) 851500 and tell 'em I sent you...
>=20
> =A334.95 + =A35 P+P

Ya-boo to all of ya, if you didn't preorder then you suck :)

I'll probably get home and find it on my doorstep (or maybe
tomorrow :)

--=20
Matt Sealey mws2@le.ac.uk=20
Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

> > (Im going to go jump from our top floor window now.......Don't try
> > to stop me!....Don't try to stop me.......Try to stop
me....Now...try
> > to stop me.) (Guess the film someone:) )

> BTW it's Will Smith, or that other guy (out of Bad Boys et al) isn't
it?
> No... now what *is* that film??? Hang on :)


I should have said that its only the part after "window now.." thats
from a film.  I.e:  "Dont try to stop me...etc."

Oh, and your way wrong on the WS front.

Bifford.

On Wed, 20 Oct 1999 biffordyoungest@hotmail.com wrote:

> > > (Im going to go jump from our top floor window now.......Don't try
> > > to stop me!....Don't try to stop me.......Try to stop
> me....Now...try
> > > to stop me.) (Guess the film someone:) )
> 
> I should have said that its only the part after "window now.." thats
> from a film.  I.e:  "Dont try to stop me...etc."

Its from Hook, when Dustin Hoffman is threatening to shoot himself. He's
talking to Bob Hoskins as Smee.


Mark_H

> > Power have got their copies of OS3.5 in stock. Give 'em a 
> > ring on (01234) 851500 and tell 'em I sent you...
> > 
> > =A334.95 + =A35 P+P
> 
> Ya-boo to all of ya, if you didn't preorder then you suck :)
> 
> I'll probably get home and find it on my doorstep (or maybe
> tomorrow :)


hmm, yeah.  Pre-ordered mine too.  I was in two minds as to whether to
still get it or not since I now have dopus.  But I decided to for two
reasons:
a. Workbench as it stands (even with Dopus) is a big hack so I want to
sort out NewIcons, etc and
b. It means there will be continuing support for the current Amigas
(which I'm all for :) )

Bifford.

> Apparently so. I think that DVDs are doing the same to stop people
> taping DVDs onto videos for their mates. Give it a few years, and people
> will be able to chip them and get around such limitations... ;-)
>

Huh

Why wait, you can buy, DVD players with all 6 region codes enabled, and
macrovision disabled....

You can also buy (for PC`s) decoders that have software available that can
wipe (or recode) the region code, and turn off, and on any of these
features.

Mark

> 
> On Wed, 20 Oct 1999 biffordyoungest@hotmail.com wrote:
> 
> > > > (Im going to go jump from our top floor window 
> > > > now.......Don't try to stop me!....Don't try
> > > > to stop me.......Try to stop me....Now...try
> > > > to stop me.) (Guess the film someone:) )
> > 
> > I should have said that its only the part after
> > "window now.." thats from a film.  I.e:  "Dont
> > try to stop me...etc."
> 
> Its from Hook, when Dustin Hoffman is threatening to shoot 
> himself. He's talking to Bob Hoskins as Smee.

Gah! That's no fair, Dustin Hoffman calls Smee by name twice in
the real film.

See, I was victim of crap quoting :)

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Computer Centre
University of Leicester

On Wed, 20 Oct 1999 14:53:37 +0100, Sealey, M=2E wibbled=2E=2E=2E

> How about checking websites when they give you a URL, then?
> Are you any good at that?
> http://www=2Eneko=2Eu-net=2Ecom/beta/template=2Ehtml

Does that mean that I can recommend that everyone goes to
http://www=2Ethewibble=2Eco=2Euk and absorbs the many and varied silly
articles that reside there?
:)

--=20
*The Wibble - http://www=2Ethewibble=2Eco=2Euk - We Are One Year Old And No=
 Wiser*
=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=
=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=
=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=
=AF
This week featuring=2E=2E=2E Our birthday celebration=2E=2E=2E Karl Marx=2E=
=2E=2E Chris
Tarrant's Talents=2E=2E=2E Jeff Banks is Touching Cloth=2E=2E=2E and Time T=
o Cook=2E=2E=2E

> > Its from Hook, when Dustin Hoffman is threatening to shoot 
> > himself. He's talking to Bob Hoskins as Smee.
> 
> Gah! That's no fair, Dustin Hoffman calls Smee by name twice in
> the real film.
> 
> See, I was victim of crap quoting :)


I admit, I did a bit of liberal snipping in there - but I didnt want to
make it too easy for you :)

Bifford.

> Oh yes. Most people think I'm vicious, unfriendly and arrogant. But I'm
> actually the funniest guy on the planet (and go f*ck yourselves if you
> think otherwise :)

The thought couldn't have been further from my mind Matt..... :)

RobM

> > Its from Hook, when Dustin Hoffman is threatening to shoot 
> > himself. He's talking to Bob Hoskins as Smee.

Well done (Mark?)  (I think it was Mark who got this - No text came up
when I opened your message :( )

Bifford.

> > > Its from Hook, when Dustin Hoffman is threatening to shoot 
> > > himself. He's talking to Bob Hoskins as Smee.
> 
> Well done (Mark?)  (I think it was Mark who got this - No text came up
> when I opened your message :( )

Doesn't he get a prize? Bah, what a rip off!

-- 
Matt Sealey mws2@le.ac.uk 
Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

On Wed, 20 Oct 1999 biffordyoungest@hotmail.com wrote:

> > > Its from Hook, when Dustin Hoffman is threatening to shoot 
> > > himself. He's talking to Bob Hoskins as Smee.
> 
> Well done (Mark?)  (I think it was Mark who got this - No text came up
> when I opened your message :( )

Yep, it was me (Mark (Harrison, rather than Bond, or any other Mark's that
are on here)).

BTW, sorry Matt - I'm sure you would have got it pretty soon if I hadn't
chipped in ;)


Mark_H (ooh, just got a mail from EMC asking for a coupla JPEGs for
inclusion on an AFCD! It seems they 'misplaced' the originals...)

Hi Mark,

> Mark_H (ooh, just got a mail from EMC asking for a coupla JPEGs for
> inclusion on an AFCD! It seems they 'misplaced' the originals...)

How big are they? The BMPs I got (don't ask) are only about 300 pixels
square.

All the best,
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no-one can ever read my writing...

On Wed, 20 Oct 1999, Ben Vost wrote:

> > Mark_H (ooh, just got a mail from EMC asking for a coupla JPEGs for
> > inclusion on an AFCD! It seems they 'misplaced' the originals...)
> 
> How big are they? The BMPs I got (don't ask) are only about 300 pixels
> square.

They are 1280x1024 JPEGs. The EMC guy mentioned that they only had BMP
thumbnails left. I'm trying to set up a hotmail account so I can resend
them - I can't attach files to e-mails from this account (at least, I
don't know of a way - I'm sure there must be one).


Mark_H

Ok. Im an evil genius!

My sister (Vanessa) is going out with a perfect match for her (Steven),
a long time friend of all of ours.

My family constantly joke about when are they getting married so I just
came up with a brilliant idea.

I went to a web site that sends virtual bouquets of flowers, and sent
one from Ness to Steve and another from Steve to Ness.

Both said on the ticket "Will You Marry Me" and on the description card
"Well, will you?"

Is this evil or what?

But I Love It!

Bifford the Youngest.

> Ok. Im an evil genius!
> 
> My sister (Vanessa) is going out with a perfect match for her 
> (Steven), a long time friend of all of ours.
> 
> My family constantly joke about when are they getting married 
> so I just came up with a brilliant idea.
> 
> I went to a web site that sends virtual bouquets of flowers, and sent
> one from Ness to Steve and another from Steve to Ness.
> 
> Both said on the ticket "Will You Marry Me" and on the 
> descriptin card "Well, will you?"
> 
> Is this evil or what?
> 
> But I Love It!

Aww, I think it's rather sweet! Not evil in the slightest, I bet
you've just gained a brother-in-law (and possibly nephews and neices :)
from this 'prank'

And if they split up, then it's YOU they'll blame..

I think it's lovely though </slushmode>

-- 
Matt Sealey mws2@le.ac.uk 
Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester 

Hi Bifford

On 20-Oct-99, you wrote:

> Ok. Im an evil genius!

Oi! This list ain't big enough for two evil genii.

 
Cheers,
Rich (the most evil genius by far)

-- 
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mailto: richard.drummond@futurenet.co.uk
pgp   : http://www.drummond.u-net.com/download/richards_key.asc
phone : +44 (0)1225 442244 ext 2417

> > Ok. Im an evil genius!
> 
> Oi! This list ain't big enough for two evil genii.

Wanna step outside, Rich.  We'll fight it out Man to, erm - Man.

(Question is - whos the 'erm - man" ?!?!)

Bifford

Andy Mills said, 

> Hello Neil Bothwick, on 20-Oct-99 08:19:34 you said about:
>   [afb] Re: HTML4 

>>Another example of people only writing HTML for specific versions of
>>specific browsers. There's a site I need to visit regularly, almost
>>daily, that does this. The navigation bar shows as dark blue text on a
>>darker blue background, the only way to read the links is to click on
>>them :(

> If you use Ibrowse or V, you could view source and change the
> background to make the links readable (as long as the design/code
> allows it, of course).

It's a dynamically generated page on a secure server :(


Neil
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The UK's first Amiga-only internet access provider
http://www.wire.net.uk
-- 
Due to inflation, all clouds will now be lined with zinc.

Andy Mills said, 

> Age doesn't matter, your hard drive could pack up 5 minutes after you
> installed it...

They normally wait a few months, to make sure there's plenty of data to
lose.


Neil
-- 
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The UK's first Amiga-only internet access provider
http://www.wire.net.uk
-- 
Experience is directly proportional to the value of equipment destroyed.

On 20-Feb-78, Oliver Marks wrote:

> some one mind suggesting a easy to use umap 4 e-mail client

Anyone translate what this guy is saying?

umap 4?

Mash - awake
-- 
                    HTTP://www.bigwig.net/mash/
                               Matthew O'Neill

The hypocrits are slandering the sacred halls of truth. -Rush

Hi M.
Somewhere around 19-Oct-99, you spewed some some gumph about [afb] Re: No
Subject (Windows 2000 OT)

> Au contrare, I fully expect him to have seen screenshots - it's not
> having seen anything ELSE that I'm not pleased about.

I've never seen it running. Crashing badly, yes, but running no

> Purely for Matt's information, I'll point out that Windows 95, 98

stop calling me Matt!

> stable as anything, as is NT4 after you've installed Service Pack 5.

Thats the problem, service pack 5!, it took them 5 tries to get it anywhere
near stable

> Big BUT - if that didn't happen, most of us would be out of a job,
> including Matt O'Neill when he finally graduates in a few years
> time.

You think I want a job using an M$ stuff? yo gotta be kidding!, I' ain't
going near the bugger

> goes for anything else you think is 'hip' or 'cool to use'
> these days. I'd LOVE to see Matt O'Neill try and configure
> Linux to do all the stuff Mint and Lemongrass are doing at
> the moment :)

I'm sure linux can do a lot more than a couple of herbs

Mash - 
-- 
                    HTTP://www.bigwig.net/mash/
                               Matthew O'Neill

BBS: a method to triple your phone bill.

On 19-Oct-99, MARRISR@uk.ibm.com wrote:

> expensive high-quality hardware, and have been configured by
> professionals.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> LOL!!
> Sorry Matt, I *had* to.....

You're out-numbered Monsieur Sealey.....now all I need is someone with
credit like Ben or Nick to back me up here :D

Mash - winning
-- 
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                               Matthew O'Neill

"Or by misleading the innocent." -- McCoy

On 19-Oct-99, Ben Vost wrote:

>> Well, if you entered some of the quizzes on afb-movie then some nice
>> goodies could well be heading your way  :)  (Ben got his by pipping
>> Rob Marris to the post at the very last moment...)

> Mwahahahaha... /me rubs hands together with glee...

Is that what all this R2D2 mug stuff is about then?

Mash - Dance, burn now turn around
-- 
                    HTTP://www.bigwig.net/mash/
                               Matthew O'Neill

Crime frequently starts in the Mayors Office...

Hi M.
Somewhere around 19-Oct-99, you spewed some some gumph about [afb] Re: The
official list randy bloke is back...

> You mean wading? Did you not pay attention to Words and Pictures when
> you were a tot? The unfortunately named Magic Magic E?

The orange pen with the light on the end haunts me. the light........so, so
pretty...........must follow the light........it is part of
me.......e...............e...........e........e.....e...e..e.eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee......................

(any really old people, or people not in England must think I'm mad now)
(que sarcastic comments)

Mash - 
-- 
                    HTTP://www.bigwig.net/mash/
                               Matthew O'Neill

Beulah, peel me a grape.

Hi M.
Somewhere around 19-Oct-99, you spewed some some gumph about [afb] Re:
V3pre4 (was Yam'n'all)

> IBrowse reminds me of Netscape, with it's slow clunky networking,
> custom lamps, custom prefs classes, custom pointlessness - how
> many IB#?.mcc classes are there? - and it just seems so .. clunky!

Oi!, thats my copyrighted description of IBrowse!, clunky indeed

> Ah well, ymmv, imo, rtf, vcr, ddt, xyz :)

Mash - PVC
-- 
                    HTTP://www.bigwig.net/mash/
                               Matthew O'Neill

Love and scandal are the best sweeteners of tea.

Hi M.
Somewhere around 19-Oct-99, you spewed some some gumph about [afb] Re:
Yam'n'all

> V3 isn't slow, it's ACCURATE and COMPLIANT. IBrowse makes some
> pretty nasty assumptions regarding tables and skips some calcs
> to speed up rendering. So it's fast, but it's bound to ignore
> the HEIGHT tag, and not do percentage widths properly.

Yup, IB doesn't like the new page I'm making, its a table in a table:

____________
|___________|
|   |                  |
|   |                  |
|   |                  |
|   |                  |
------------

only the top banner style bit is shown, the dividing frame down the left
hand side is invisible :( V, aweb, nutscrape and OE show it fine

> I hope you're reporting these to voyager-bugs@vapor.com

aye, 

Mash - 
-- 
                    HTTP://www.bigwig.net/mash/
                               Matthew O'Neill

The book Understanding DBase IV is an oxymoron.

Hi Frost,

> > You mean, like Macrovision on some video tapes ? Well, so much for the
 
> Apparently so. I think that DVDs are doing the same to stop people
> taping DVDs onto videos for their mates. Give it a few years, and people
> will be able to chip them and get around such limitations... ;-)

S'ok on the DVD front, as I'll be getting a DVD player soon (a multi
standard one if it's not too expensive)  You hear that, Gateway ?
That's money that could've been going on a NGAmiga.  Your loss.

Cheers,

Eddie

Hi Matt,

> Doesn't he get a prize? Bah, what a rip off!

He would've done if he was on afb-movie  :)

Cheers,

Eddie

Hi Ben,

Yes, in 99% of the cases only the music portion of the CD will be detected
by the DiskChanger.  I've set diskchanger to appear on 2 or more partitions,
so it next to never appears.  The times I have had both partitions detected
is either after a re-insertion or modifying and saving the asim prefs (which
results in the cd being re-read).  But most of the time a re-insertion only
reveals the audio partition.  When I tried turning off audio cd detection it
resulted in the cd showing ndos.  I am really sure its not the AF cd's as
the same thing happens with them all.  So its either the drive itself or
something in the cdfs.


Thanks,

Darin.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Vost [mailto:ben.vost@futurenet.co.uk]

Hi Darin,

<snip>

Do you mean that DiscChanger only sees the music part of the CD? I do have
that problem very occasionally with my Sony 24x drive at home (I wish I'd
stuck to my 8x drive - it was faster for most things), but an eject and
re-insertion usually cures the ill.

hi,

> > some one mind suggesting a easy to use umap 4 e-mail client
> 
> Do you mean IMAP 4? AFAIK none of the Amiga GUI mail clients support it,
> so your best bet in that respect is probably to find a port of Pine
> (which, if such a thing should exist, is probably either on Aminet or in
> the Geek Gadgets collection)

I did mean imap 4 i was told i need it to access my uni email address 

Hi Everybody,

   I'm just finishing off a nice, soft, mellow, AGA/RTG puzzle game, and =
what I really want is some nice music to go with it,

   So,

   If anyone could send some nice, hi quality (preferably 16bit octamed s=
ound studio) music mods to me (either soft/slow, or maybe slightly more u=
p beat, nothing too heavy though) then I would be really greatful.

   And if your mod makes it into the game (which will be commercially rel=
eased) then you'll get a free copy of it, or more (aka money as well ;) d=
epending on how many/good your contributions are :)


See ya :)
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On 20 Oct 1999, Eddie Maddock wrote:

> > Doesn't he get a prize? Bah, what a rip off!
> 
> He would've done if he was on afb-movie  :)

I'm on that too. Does that mean I do get a prize? :)


Mark_H

On 19-Oct-99, Ben Vost wrote:

> Hi s-c.tennant1@tees.ac.uk,
> 
>> I am looking into learning HTML for my course at Uni. I was looking
>> at books in Waterstones that help learn people how to do this.
>> However they all refer to HTML as HTML 4. Is there a diffrence
>> between the two or is HTML 4 designed for the PC only.
>> I was hoping to design the pages on my Amiga but want a PC browser to
>> be able to view them.
>> I always thought HTML was a standard accross platforms but if there
>> is diffrent versions
>> of it that cant be the case. Is the HTML 4 book woth buying is is it
>> incompatable
>> with the Amiga?
> 
> HTML 4 is the current version of the page description language. All
> current Amiga browsers support it.

And the big two try to f*** around with it as much as possible. :(

Regards

Hello M.

On 19-Oct-99, you wrote:

>>> /me still in a convulsing heap on the floor at the thought of
>>> being able to play Homeworld on a PC anyway :)
>> 
>> Well, it is pretty damn special, I can tell you!
> 
> Errmm.. you think I'd be convulsing on the floor if I didn't
> know what it was like? That game is *THE* game that I've ALWAYS
> wanted. 

But Matt, we always thought you prefered a virtual babe. ;)

Regards

Hello M.

On 19-Oct-99, you wrote:

>> strange behaviour for an *accurate* and *compliant* browser 
>> the... i was on lottery.merseyworld.com  last night.
>> 
>> V3-pre4 wouldnt show the ticker checker pages properly...IB2.1 did
>> though
> 
> Accurate and compliant in the sense that it CONSIDERS tags before
> it screws them up, accurate and compliant in the sense that it
> puts accurate display of the page over speed of use, or at least
> in theory. Once all the big bugs have been ironed out of V3 I
> fully expect it to become very HTML compliant and VERY good at
> what it does. But there are too many nasty memory leaks, too many
> buggy .mcc's to rely on, and too many VFlash problems to
> consider before niggly problems like crap layout are considered.

Olli recently reported finding a memory leak in the cmanager.mcc so they
are being found. :)

Regards

On 19-Oct-99, Neil Dearing wrote:

>> > The free evening calls are available to any local number, ISP or
>> > not, through a telecom reseller called Euphony. You don't have to
>> > change your telco, as long as you are with BT.
> =

>    I am one of the lucky ones who live in Hull, We have our own
> independant telecommunications company, and have unmetered calls at
> all times for 5.5p. I have recently subscribed to Karoo, the local ISP
> for =A315 per month, but all calls cost only 5.5p irrespective of time
> of day or duration of the call. If only BT offered such a value for
> money service

I might join you in Hull. Especially seeing as Kingston are trialling a
(up to 8mb) ADSL which will cost under =A325 a month. Makes you weep. :(

Regards

Hi,

Anyone know what became of that HTMLView MCC reviewed a while back in PD
Select?

Neil

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Hello M.

On 20-Oct-99, Sealey, M. wrote:
> =

>> My cousin's just started at Bristol uni (I *think* it's =

>> Bristol - we aint too close....) and is staying in what
>> I can only describe as  "posh" halls of residence, where
>> they have semi-formal evening meals and all that sort of
>> sh*te.
> =

> That sounds a bit over-the-top, almost sheltered. How do
> they expect students to know what real life is like if they
> are spoon-fed everything until they're 25?

Oi, I certainly wasn't spoon fed at uni, and I worked damn hard in Tesco's=
 to
avoid having a loan.  And before anyone asks, my grant was next to nothin=
g, I
stayed at home to study and my parents couldn't afford to give me anythin=
g
extra.


> =

>> Why am I telling you this?
>> Because in his halls there's an ethernet socket in every =

>> room, diectly connected to the campus network!  Free access
> =

> I think you'll find that your "posh" cousin will be paying
> over the odds for his room there, whereas lesser students
> who opt not to have the ethernet connection and the fancy
> meals will be living on the cheap, and getting loads of
> spare money :)
> =


The reason I was given, (from a Bristol uni student) was that since Brist=
ol is
home to many of the Oxbridge rejects, they have to offer the same facilit=
ies
as a student would get if they had gone to OXbridge, including Ethernet p=
orts
as standard.  I know of one guy who set up his own pc as a repository for=

pirated software since he had a permanent connection.  And since Bristol =
uni
is home to so many Oxbridge rejects, it also explains why the average Bri=
stol
uni student seems to have a higher yearly income than I do.  If I hear on=
e
more conversation down the pub about how "Daddy's cut my income to only =A3=
300
a week, how can I survive?" I think I'll scream ;-)


Rant over now, I'm of to find my flame-proof suit before Matt replies ;-)=
(And I'm not really jealous of Oxbridge students either, honest ;-) )
Regards
-- =

Stephen Webber
stephen@scooby.freewire.co.uk

"sealey, m." <mws-@leicester.ac.uk> wrote: 

I agree. Put Linux 68k on a CD please.
 
> Any chance of Debian 2.1 being put on a CD?

What is Debian, Matt?

cya

maarten

"ben vost" <ben.vos-@futurenet.co.uk> wrote: 
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/afb/?start=3D33226
> Hi all,
> 
> Power have got their copies of OS3.5 in stock. Give 'em a ring on
(01234)
> 851500 and tell 'em I sent you...
> 
> =A334.95 + =A35 P+P
> 

Computer City in R'dam (The Netherlands) has got ther stock as wel.

cya

maarten

Hi Neil

> :) I love it. I get Wednesdays and Thursdays off (College radio, however,
is
> still to do) and today I handed an assignment in at the start of the
lesson
> even though we had the whole lesson to do it in, and I got to go home
early
> (by about 1 hour 30 mins :)

Grrr.  I'm a student, and I don't get days off.  Mind you, I am doing 4
A-levels...

Tatty byes
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WWW: http://www.furmanskinet.connectfree.co.uk  *NEW URL*
ICQ - 51206302

This week's lie: The Falkland Islands are the worlds largest manufacturer of
prefabricated churches.

Hi Mark,
 
> > > Doesn't he get a prize? Bah, what a rip off!

> > He would've done if he was on afb-movie  :)

> I'm on that too. Does that mean I do get a prize? :)
 
Double bah !  Outfoxed by some quick thinking (but not on my part,
obviously - I mean, there's only about 20 of us on there !)

It's a fair cop Mark. Yup, you win a Babylon 5 keyring  :)    I've
given out a few of these over the last month or so, but I'm down to
the last of them now. The last couple will be up for grabs in the
upcoming quiz which will appear over on afb-movie, so anyone trying
this sly trick again will get *zero* joy out of me.

Just send us your home address (on here, or privately) and your
plastic freebie will be winging its way to you  :)

Cheers,

Eddie (looks like Christmas is coming early - bah, humbug)

Hello Alex

On 20-Oct-99, Alex Furmanski wrote:

> 
> Grrr.  I'm a student, and I don't get days off.  Mind you, I am doing 4
> A-levels...
> 
Boy am I glad my days of study are over.  Mind you, I still have to learn all
the time at work - I've just finished a 3 day HPUX course.  Very interesting
to see how much of AmigaDOS has it's foundations in Unix

> 
Regards
-- 
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stephen@scooby.freewire.co.uk

On Wed, Oct 20, 1999 at 11:19:21AM -0700, maartend@dds.nl wrote:

> > Any chance of Debian 2.1 being put on a CD?
> 
> What is Debian, Matt?

Different Matt, but...

It's a Linux distribution that's (IMHO) one of the best. Whether the whole
of the m68k distribution could be fitted onto an AFCD and still leave
space for anything else, however...

-- 
Matthew Garrett | mjg59@cam.ac.uk

Hi Rob

> My cousin's just started at Bristol uni (I *think* it's Bristol - we aint
too
> close....) and is staying in what I can only describe as "posh" halls of
> residence, where they have semi-formal evening meals and all that sort of
sh*te.
> Why am I telling you this?
> Because in his halls there's an ethernet socket in every room, diectly
connected
> to the campus network!  Free access whenever they want it and faster than
a
> dialup connection.  I was just wondering if any of the students on this
list
> have a similar kinda thing at their college....

My sis has just gone to King's this year, and they were told that they could
have free internet access in their rooms for a "nominal fee". That's 120 to
you and me :-O

Tatty byes
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ICQ - 51206302

This week's lie: The Falkland Islands are the worlds largest manufacturer of
prefabricated churches.

Greetings 
 
over  the last week or three, when I dial up with Ukonline I get a
"PAP: authentication failed" message in miami. It seems to be
happening rather a lot; What the eff does it mean? My password isn't
recognised or summat? but ten minutes later it is. . . wtf?

Anyone else having any shit like that?

Neil, how much is a sub to wirenet? 8)

Regards

Andy
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/PGP Key available on request/

I like work ... I can sit and watch it for hours.

"alex furmanski" <a.furmansk-@virgin.net> wrote: 
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/afb/?start=33273
> >there's an ethernet socket in every room, diectly
> connected
> > to the campus network!  Free access whenever they want it and
faster than
> a
> > dialup connection.  I was just wondering if any of the students on
this
> list
> > have a similar kinda thing at their college....
> 

Hi,

I`m at Sidney Sussex College, Cambridge, and some people have ethernet
connections in their rooms, giving them fast free internet access. The
college plans to have connectors in all rooms within the next year or
two.

Ben

On 20 Oct 1999, Neil Bothwick wrote:

> so a high speed drive will only have a chance of reaching that speed on
> a 100% full CD, and then only on the last files written to the CD.

I mastered a game CD once , about 200Mb of data was loaded when
running, so...to make the game seem a lot faster at cut-scenes etc i
created a 0 directory filled with 'space' so that the first 440Mb of the
disk space was taken up...the game and its data then sat at the 'faster
rim' - it worked a treat..almost paid for my CD writer that bit of
freelancing did :-)

alan

On Wed, 20 Oct 1999, eGroups.com Poll Results wrote:

> 6. They'll bury me with my Amiga			39

At least when future archealogists dig up our bones to examine our
ancient civilisation they'd realise that we were the advanced examples
of our species :-)

alan

On Wed, 20 Oct 1999, Sealey, M. wrote:

> And any strange hints on how to get the thing configured nicely,
> and any nice apps that may be floating around that make project
> management easier (not PMM though, it sucks)..

i use the shell for my vbcc... just adt search the aminet for vbcc.
 
> I really need to get back into my code before I get too pissed
> off, or I'll hate myself for not finishing them. Damn you VBCC
> for being such a bitch!

my 68k environ is currently up the spout a bit - what do you need...just
the .lib files?? anyway, i've got the official C= includes everywhere
:-)

okay, i'm doing a vbcc CD for a friend..do you also want a copy (costs
are all you have to pay...ouch, 1 ukp)

alan

On Wed, 20 Oct 1999, Sealey, M. wrote:

> You'd think it'd stay working for more than 3 months at a time,
> though, wouldn't you? *sigh* I'll do that anyway. I thought I
> might have been doing something hideously wrong somewhere..

err, it does thoug - unless you start playing around with .fd fils and
messing up the .lib files :-)

(my 68k environ is currently screwed because i blindly copied 20-odd
SAS/C includes into it! :-|
  
> Ahhhhhaaahahhaha! So I could have all my includes in Include: like
> I used to have (and still have) and use them like that? Whaa! Thanks
> Richy, I'd never have realised without that subtle hint :)

yes, but its better to keep seperate dirs for certain features...eg
ixinclude: for the ixemul stuff
 
> I've had them in the machines/amiga68k/include directory, and it
> annoyed me for ages. It never did me any harm, but this is easier
> now and more condusive to my disk layout system :)

:-) ermm, didnt you see the init_vbcc script - its does the assign - and
vc etc use that assign
 
> Aww. I think messing with PMM may have done something, because that's
> the only modification I made to my setup beyond making it compile for
> 68000 and IEEE maths when I first set it up.

erm, well, check that you don have a vc.config in your env: or envarc:
that is crap
 
> > Tsk! Tsk! It's not have as much a 'bitch' as gcc.
> 
> You're right :)

yeah, egcs and gcc...ouch!! cant even make proper WarpU stuff with it
  
> All I want to know is why the hell can't there be a compiler
> that just installs with an installer and LET ME CODE with no
> hassles, and no faffy idiot-proof IDE to soak my memory up when
> all I need is a button to say "compile" and a button to say "link".

StormC  - if yo're willing to pay 180 ukp.
 
8-)

alan

On Wed, 20 Oct 1999 biffordyoungest@hotmail.com wrote:

> relevant AFs open to the right page on my floor - I just havnt bothered

errm, the piccies of the women? ;-)

alan

On 21 Feb 1978, Oliver Marks wrote:
 
> Can some one tell me the address please

it was printed in AF..havent visited as i use the APUs web site
 
> I was meaning does the same version of redhat run on pc and amigas or
> are there different versions.

..it will so long as its been compiled as PPC code.
www.linuxppc.org supply the latest PPC'd RedHat
 
alan

On Wed, 20 Oct 1999 MARRISR@uk.ibm.com wrote:

> dialup connection.  I was just wondering if any of the students on this list
> have a similar kinda thing at their college....

i wish i had it!! i would have got ethernet for my Amiga...and i wouldnt
have had to get the monthly access code for the computer science
building to play my late night (til 5 am ) MUD sessions as an undergrad
! :-)

alan

Hello,

this is slightly OT, but enough Amiga users emulate Macs that you might be
able to help.  I'm running System 7.5.5 using Shapeshifter 3.1, with 16-24Mb
of Ram (depending on whats running on the Amiga) and have a Blizzard
603+/040, and am trying to play the Mac version of Settlers II.  It used to
run okay, but now the program closes straight after it opens.  If this
happened on my Amiga, I'd think I had some files missing, or some older
versions.  Anybody have any suggestions, or know of the Mac equivalent of
Snoopdos?  I've just done a complete reinstall, and other apps and games,
(Word, Excel, Simcity 2000) work fine.  If only Blue Byte had approved the
Amiga version of Settlers II - I would have killed to play this game on my
native system ;-(

Kind regards
-- 
Stephen Webber
stephen@scooby.freewire.co.uk

Hello Patrice

On 20-Oct-99, Patrice Champarou wrote:
> Hello!

> On 20-Oct-99, you wrote:

>> I've had a 4.3 Gb HD for some time now and it has functioned
>> excellently. However recently, when I looked in HDToolbox, the HD is
>> not recognised. Some help please?

>  May I suggest you to try some other HD utility, or even a different
> version of HDToolbox? The one I"ve got on v3.1 "install" disk doesn't
> recognize *any* HD!

    try changing the DEVICE tooltype in the icon, mine would be
DEVICE=2060scsi.device

Cheers
-- 
-----------------------------------------------
Jon Barker                         ICQ:20786000
-----------------------------------------------

Hello All,

I am trying to write an SMS sending program not unlike SMSMaster. Does
anyone know where I can get the necessary protocol information from? I've
been trying to guess it by dialing in using Term but the phone costs are
mounting.

Bye,
-- 
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UIN: 30044173
WEB: http://www.gespatcho.u-net.com
SMS: j215596@sms-genie.co.uk

Member of the AmigaRC5 team and cracking blocks at 831K keys/sec

Sex is hereditary. If your parents never had it, chances are you
won't either.
-- Murphy's laws on sex

Hello All,

On 20-Oct-99, A Timiney wrote:

> Andrew wrote:
>> 
>> hi
>> 
>> When I turn on my A1200t (blizzard 1230/IV 32mb, squirrel scsi, 1.7gb
>> ide hd) all i get is the floppy drive light on, and the hard drive
>> clicks once. Then nothing.
>> 
>> Anyone any ideas on whats wrong.
> 

Yep this happened to me when I broke the +5V line going into the mobo.
Unfortunatly when I corrected the fault it still didn't work. I'm now using
a new mobo :(

Bye,

-- 
Danny Shepherd.

UIN: 30044173
WEB: http://www.gespatcho.u-net.com
SMS: j215596@sms-genie.co.uk

Member of the AmigaRC5 team and cracking blocks at 831K keys/sec

The only thing that stops God from sending another flood is that
the first one was useless.
-- Chamfort

Hello All,

On 20-Oct-99, amipal@yahoo.com wrote:

> I've had a 4.3 Gb HD for some time now and it has functioned
> excellently. However recently, when I looked in HDToolbox, the HD is
> not recognised. Some help please?
> 

Yes, you've lost your drive definations file. Nothing to worry about,
dosn't affect the drive. Just get HDtoolbox to analyse the drive again BUT
DON'T SAVE CHANGES TO DRIVE or you will loose your existing partitions!

Bye,

-- 
Danny Shepherd.

UIN: 30044173
WEB: http://www.gespatcho.u-net.com
SMS: j215596@sms-genie.co.uk

Member of the AmigaRC5 team and cracking blocks at 831K keys/sec

I like pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat
us as equals.
-- Winston Churchill

Hello M.,

On 20-Oct-99, you wrote about [afb] Re: New email address


>> so as you can see I`ve gone with Wirenet - and I suggest you do to as
>> they`re about to give free calls during the weekend (0800 number).
> 
> I can see where all your student grant is going :)
 
What are these grant things then? :)

Bye,

-- 
Danny Shepherd.

UIN: 30044173
WEB: http://www.gespatcho.u-net.com
SMS: j215596@sms-genie.co.uk

Member of the AmigaRC5 team and cracking blocks at 831K keys/sec

The only thing that stops God from sending another flood is that
the first one was useless.
-- Chamfort

> How about checking websites when they give you a URL, then?
> Are you any good at that?
>=20
> http://www=2Eneko=2Eu-net=2Ecom/beta/template=2Ehtml
>=20

Works with Voyager=B3 pre4 fine (including the Dilbert anim thing at the
bottom)=2E

>=20
> Yes, I do check people's websites, just for a laugh=2E Moreso
> when I have to find it out by working with their email address,
> too, as it sorta implies they have something to hide by not
> giving a URL :)

Just that I haven't got a website :-)

Carl
Accy, Lancs=2E

Greetings Bifford the Youngest.

> Not in halls but if I had been I would have still only had
> dialup......is he allowed to stay in hall for all his years there or
> does he get chucked out after the first year, as Surrey users do?

You should feel lucky mate - back when I was a fresher at SIAD, Internet
access took the form of 6 Mac Classics sharing a single Pace 9,600 and a
U-Net dial-up account!

Chris Green
Technical Editor - Computing
VNU Business Publications, 32-34 Broadwick Street, London, W1A 2HG
..................................................................
Fax: +44 (0)207 316 9160      Email: chris_green@vnu.co.uk
ICQ: 10921400                 URL:   http://computing.vnunet.com
..................................................................

Hi Ben

> Power have got their copies of OS3.5 in stock.

Cool - anyone know if Eyetech have got theirs yet?

Chris Green
Technical Editor - Computing
VNU Business Publications, 32-34 Broadwick Street, London, W1A 2HG
..................................................................
Fax: +44 (0)207 316 9160      Email: chris_green@vnu.co.uk
ICQ: 10921400                 URL:   http://computing.vnunet.com
..................................................................

Hello Ben

On 20-Oct-99, Ben Vost wrote:
> Hi Gaz,

>> Maybe Voyager/AFCD45 has done something similar?

> I can assure you all it's not AFCD45 - otherwise you'd all be complaining.

    Matt has already wrote the answer, look in ENVarc:Vapor/   for the
cmanager entry and delete it,

Cheers
-- 
-----------------------------------------------
Jon Barker                         ICQ:20786000
-----------------------------------------------

I was just going to bed, when Patrice Champarou wrote this and I just HAD to read it:

>   Well, I don't know about that issue,  but I wanted to tell the honorable member
> who'd been asking for "a blonde next time" that he could find one in AF 91
> ( December 1996 ), carrying shopping bags on 5 or 6 pages!

I used to use that mag as a mousemat for ages ;)
Back in them days (not-quite-oh-so-long-ago) they had the name of the
model in the credits. Sarah Harvey, Dammers model agency, IIRC.

>   Patrice

Paul C, letting his alternative mind wander too far from afb-ot
-- 
... I hope my mother gets hit by a steamroller, said Tom malevolently.

Hello Ben,

> 
> Power have got their copies of OS3.5 in stock. Give 'em a ring on (01234)
> 851500 and tell 'em I sent you...
> 

You on commission with Power now ? ;-)

If so, sorry, I pre-ordered :-)

Carl
Accy, Lancs.

Hi

I'm surprised no-one has started yelling that AF should be shut down yet
because of pornographic images. I mean the 2 people obviously don't know
they have had a picture taken of them, maybe they'll sue? Turn to page
80......

Mash
-- 
                    HTTP://www.bigwig.net/mash/
                               Matthew O'Neill

Yes, Mister Lister Sir! Practice, Rimmer, makes perfect.

Hi

Concerning the examples on the cover CD for Javascript, are they buggy or is
it just voyager? I can see the red text saying "/If you can read this, you
have JavaScript turned off. Turn it on to see how the examples work/" on
each of the pages. the amazingly wacky BGcolor (bloody yanky spelling) is
just a dull grey page with black writing and the examples page may or may
not work, I'm not online for it to get the date from the server "/This page
was last updated on undefined/"

Mash - apparently javaless
-- 
                    HTTP://www.bigwig.net/mash/
                               Matthew O'Neill

Type ATDT 911 for more Help.

Hi Everybody,

>> Apparently so. I think that DVDs are doing the same to stop people
>> taping DVDs onto videos for their mates. Give it a few years, and peop=
le
>> will be able to chip them and get around such limitations... ;-)
 =

   I find it hard to believe that they can have a signal that will stop y=
ou recording stuff on VCR's that /don't/ support this, which I suspect is=
 most of them.


   Or, it may just be a complete lie (or myth):  I've heard many people t=
hat say that you can't record from one VCR to another because they have c=
opy protection.

 Well, I have proof otherwise :)

See ya :)
-- =

       Manta Soft  -  Amiga programing & web page designing
          http://mantasoft.aio.co.uk/       ICQ: 21829166        =

 Homepage updated 5/8/99 --- James Bond on GFX Card & CPU players!
  - ------------------- Quote of the day: -------------------- -
Walk around, be free and roam, there's always someone living alone.
-- Simply Red

Hi Everybody,

   Well, for once on this list, the subject line says all :)


Basically, after getting my new harddrive, I had enough space to install =
the Linux APUS (and I can safely say it was a complete pain in the a%%).

   After folowing the instructions on http://users.iol.it/marco.dvv but u=
sing the files on AFCD, I now have X Windows installed.

The problem is, I can't run it:

I type startx and it starts printing stuff in the lunix- dos prompt, but =
then says something along the lines of:

   Using screenmode database from config file.


   Fatal server error:
      No valied modes available.


I tried changing it to work with NTSC (15khz,60hz etc) but I still wouldn=
't work.


   So, I don't suppose anyone who uses PPC linux with NTSC-laced could pl=
ease send me whichever config file (I presume it's XF68Config) I'd be rea=
lly greatful :)

See ya :)
-- =

       Manta Soft  -  Amiga programing & web page designing
          http://mantasoft.aio.co.uk/       ICQ: 21829166        =

 Homepage updated 5/8/99 --- James Bond on GFX Card & CPU players!
  - ------------------- Quote of the day: -------------------- -
"Bother," said Pooh, as he pushed the little red button.

Hi Matthew,

On 18-Oct-99 you wrote:

>>> You and Fool are the 2 most stick up arses I've ever seen on a mailing
>>> list.

>> Thankyou, I try my best :)

> Sorry, scrub fool, he's shown that he can be civilized

I can!?  When was that?!  Bah, you try and insult someone and they go
and call you civilized - I dunno what this list is coming to... ;)

Martin, back from the wilderness.
-- 
<tsb>MartinJTaylor mailto:baseheadz@bigfoot.com
<tsb>http://www.3amigas.freeserve.co.uk
-- 

Hi,

Can people with Voyager and Aweb check out

http://www.trogsoft.co.uk/product/index.htm

and let me know how it looks please? :)

Thanks
Neil

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  Were you present in court this morning when you were sworn in?

Hello Andy

On 20-Oct-99, Andy Kinsella wrote:
 
> over  the last week or three, when I dial up with Ukonline I get a
> "PAP: authentication failed" message in miami. It seems to be
> happening rather a lot; What the eff does it mean? My password isn't
> recognised or summat? but ten minutes later it is. . . wtf?

Sounds exactly like the problem Prestel had a few months back when they
upgraded the software on the authentication server, but happily it's been
fixed now. It's that server that verifys who you are when you attempt to log
on that's having problems by the sound of it. 

I have an account with UKOnline too which all the [afb] mail is sent to. I
normally access this via prestel which normally takes a few seconds but
tonight it took several minutes before it started to download. 


-- 
Best Regards, Richard Lane - richard@amiga.prestel.co.uk

Author: AmiNET - biz/dopus/Magnum_Opus31a.lha
Web site  - http://www.magnumopus.co.uk
--

Top headlines of 1997: Chef Throws His Heart into Helping Feed Needy

> Grrr.  I'm a student, and I don't get days off.  Mind you, I am doing 4
A-levels...

...and how many hours a week are your lectures?  Surely no more than 18-20 -
that's an easy life...

RobM

Thank you all for your replies to my problem about my dead Amiga.

I traced the fault to a damaged wire in the tower case PSU.  Five hours
later - I'VE GOT AN AMIGA!!!!!!

Thanks again.

> Boy am I glad my days of study are over.  Mind you, I still have to learn all
> the time at work - I've just finished a 3 day HPUX course.  Very interesting
> to see how much of AmigaDOS has it's foundations in Unix

There's a lot of similarities aren't there!  I think my Amiga is what got me
into the job I'm in now (in a very indirect way, of course...)

RobM

Has anyone else seen this news on AmiWebDir? About time! Now, if only
Lightwave was freeware...

Paul

Back to this subject again!

V3 *doesn't* lay out AFB properly. I've tried IBrowse (1.2 demo!), and
it does. Nevertheless, I still use V2 to access this site, and have
lots of fun trying to read it amongst messed up tables!

Paul

> > Au contrare, I fully expect him to have seen screenshots - it's not
> > having seen anything ELSE that I'm not pleased about.
> 
> I've never seen it running. Crashing badly, yes, but running no

Yo ho if you like.
 
> > Purely for Matt's information, I'll point out that Windows 95, 98
> 
> stop calling me Matt!

Why not, Matt? It *is* short for Matthew - I should know 'cos it's
my name too :)
 
> > stable as anything, as is NT4 after you've installed Service Pack 5.
> 
> Thats the problem, service pack 5!, it took them 5 tries to 
> get it anywhere near stable

No, it took them 5 SERVICE PACKS to get it stable. There is only *one*
try, they have support teams dedicated to ironing out bugs. It just
shows your ignorance of the software design and support process really.

Besides, NT4 is perfectly usable from a clean install. It's not Y2K
compliant, and it's unsecure as hell, but it's stable as long as you
don't launch DoS attacks at it. And seriously, who would?

> > Big BUT - if that didn't happen, most of us would be out of a job,
> > including Matt O'Neill when he finally graduates in a few years
> > time.
> 
> You think I want a job using an M$ stuff? yo gotta be kidding!,
> I' ain't going near the bugger

Your loss, Matty boy :)

> > goes for anything else you think is 'hip' or 'cool to use'
> > these days. I'd LOVE to see Matt O'Neill try and configure
> > Linux to do all the stuff Mint and Lemongrass are doing at
> > the moment :)
> 
> I'm sure linux can do a lot more than a couple of herbs

My point is that whether Linux can or cannot do the things our
two domain controllers are doing, I doubt that YOU could set it
up to actually do it. Actually I'm pretty sure I couldn't either,
but I'm not the one going round saying I can, and I'm not the
one who's seen Windows 2000 running a few times and thinks he's
The Word on it. 'cos you ain't.

I'll just call you Matt again for good measure, is that alright,
Matt?

:P

-- 
Matt Sealey mws2@le.ac.uk 
Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

> > You mean wading? Did you not pay attention to Words and 
> > Pictures when you were a tot? The unfortunately named
> > Magic Magic E?
> 
> The orange pen with the light on the end haunts me. the 
> light........so, so pretty...........must follow the light..
> .....it is part of me.......e............[snipppp!]

Finally, some sense from the O'Neill clan! :)

Oh yes, Words and Pictures is GOD! 

Up, down, up and oveerrr! Up and down, up and OVERRR!

Write those letters, baby!

-- 
Matt Sealey mws2@le.ac.uk 
Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

> Hi,
> 
> Anyone know what became of that HTMLView MCC reviewed a while 
> back in PD Select?

Alan is still working on it.

-- 
Matt Sealey mws2@le.ac.uk 
Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

>> You think I want a job using an M$ stuff? yo gotta be kidding!,
>> I' ain't going near the bugger

> Your loss, Matty boy :)

I doubt it - non-PC jobs pay *much* better (in general - *everyone* has PC
skill, ya see...)

> I'll just call you Matt again for good measure, is that alright, Matt?

Now *that's* the Matt Sealey we all remember...

RobM

> "sealey, m." <mws-@leicester.ac.uk> wrote: 
> 
> I agree. Put Linux 68k on a CD please.
>  
> > Any chance of Debian 2.1 being put on a CD?
> 
> What is Debian, Matt?

A Linux distro with an Amiga specific m68k build

Check http://www.debian.org

I hope you can read Japanese :)

-- 
Matt Sealey mws2@le.ac.uk 
Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

> On Wed, 20 Oct 1999, Sealey, M. wrote:
> 
> > You'd think it'd stay working for more than 3 months at a time,
> > though, wouldn't you? *sigh* I'll do that anyway. I thought I
> > might have been doing something hideously wrong somewhere..
> 
> err, it does though - unless you start playing around with .fd fils
> and messing up the .lib files :-)

Well I generated a new lib and put the includes in vincludem68k:
and it stopped working shortly after. God knows why..

> (my 68k environ is currently screwed because i blindly copied 20-odd
> SAS/C includes into it! :-|

Usually a stupid thing to do :)
   
> > I've had them in the machines/amiga68k/include directory, and it
> > annoyed me for ages. It never did me any harm, but this is easier
> > now and more condusive to my disk layout system :)
> 
> :-) ermm, didnt you see the init_vbcc script - its does the 
> assign - and vc etc use that assign

Yes, but I have a directory structure:

Work:
 Code/
  Include/
  Docs/
  Autodocs/
  fd/
  vbcc/
  Projects/
  OldStuff/
  DevKits/

Having two sets of includes was doing my head in, as was having to
type vincludem68k: everytime I wanted to get to them.

> > Aww. I think messing with PMM may have done something, 
> 
> erm, well, check that you don have a vc.config in your env: or envarc:
> that is crap

Good idea.. I didn't think to check there..
  
> > All I want to know is why the hell can't there be a compiler
> > that just installs with an installer and LET ME CODE with no
> > hassles, and no faffy idiot-proof IDE to soak my memory up when
> > all I need is a button to say "compile" and a button to say "link".
> 
> StormC  - if yo're willing to pay 180 ukp.

NO! I ****DON'T**** WANT A FAFFY GUI! I JUST WANT A SHELL TOOL THAT
WILL COMPILE WITHOUT HAVING TO INSTALL 100MB OF UNIX SHIT! I DON'T
NEED A GUI, ALL I NEED IS A COMPILER THAT ***WORKS**!

IF IT HAS A GUI LIKE SAS/C DOES, THEN GREAT! IN FACT THAT'S WHAT
I WAS REFERRING TO!

Sheesh, does NOBODY read posts properly round here?

-- 
Matt Sealey mws2@le.ac.uk 
Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

> Sheesh, does NOBODY read posts properly round here?

Social skills lesson number 102:
When asking for help, it's better to be *nice*
EOL

RobM

> > > You think I want a job using an M$ stuff? yo gotta be kidding!,
> > > I' ain't going near the bugger
> 
> > Your loss, Matty boy :)
> 
> I doubt it - non-PC jobs pay *much* better (in general - 
> *everyone* has PC skill, ya see...)

PC skill enough to keep a server going 24/7? I doubt it.

Besides, what do you put on your CV?

* Fluent in the latest cool-to-use Linux distro
* Refuses to use Micro$oft products 'cos they suck

At least I could put Netware, NT, Mac and NetBSD experience
on there. Spread, y'see, not confined to one tiny little
niche. Once I get my CV online, you'll see :)

Got me a job, anyway, over the guy who had only got experience
in Netware, the guy who only had experience of Macs and the
guy who had never seen a Unix in his life, and his claim to
fame was having Windows 98 at home.

> > I'll just call you Matt again for good measure, is that 
> > alright, Matt?
> 
> Now *that's* the Matt Sealey we all remember...

Is it?

-- 
Matt Sealey mws2@le.ac.uk 
Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

> > > Your loss, Matty boy :)
>>
>> I doubt it - non-PC jobs pay *much* better (in general -
>> *everyone* has PC skill, ya see...)

> PC skill enough to keep a server going 24/7? I doubt it.

> Besides, what do you put on your CV?

> * Fluent in the latest cool-to-use Linux distro
> * Refuses to use Micro$oft products 'cos they suck

Er, no. I put certified AIX sys admin, experienced with Linux, BSD, SunOS and
HPUX.  Competent with Windows, MacOS and AmigaOS.  Expert in SSA sotrage
subsystems.


> At least I could put Netware, NT, Mac and NetBSD experience
> on there. Spread, y'see, not confined to one tiny little
> niche. Once I get my CV online, you'll see :)

..and??  See mine above - certainly not confined.

>> Now *that's* the Matt Sealey we all remember...

> Is it?

Yup, when you came back to the list after your hols you seemed to have calmed
down, but now you're back to the old arrogant, egotistical gobshite.
:)

RobM

Hi Neil,

> Anyone know what became of that HTMLView MCC reviewed a while back in PD
> Select?

Allan Odgaard has been busy on OS3.5, so he probably hasn't had the time for
it.


All the best,
-- 
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Editor, Amiga Format            F: (+44) 01225 732275
             PGP key available upon request
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Follow your dream! Unless it's the one where you're in
Marks and Spencer, naked, covered with ketchup.

On Thu, Oct 21, 1999 at 10:35:06AM +0100, MARRISR@uk.ibm.com wrote:

> > PC skill enough to keep a server going 24/7? I doubt it.

I expect so...a lot of people have, but this isn't the place for a "I'm
better than you are" discussion - otherwise us old timers will get involved
and put everyone to shame regarding ancient technologies most people can't
spell :)

> > At least I could put Netware, NT, Mac and NetBSD experience
> > on there. Spread, y'see, not confined to one tiny little
> > niche. Once I get my CV online, you'll see :)
> 
> ..and??  See mine above - certainly not confined.

Trolling / flaming should go personal please :)

Although I do like reading the Matt/RobM threads...

> Yup, when you came back to the list after your hols you seemed to have calmed
> down, but now you're back to the old arrogant, egotistical gobshite.
> :)

ROTFLMAO :)

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Hi Carl,

>> Power have got their copies of OS3.5 in stock. Give 'em a ring on (01234)
>> 851500 and tell 'em I sent you...

> You on commission with Power now ? ;-)

> If so, sorry, I pre-ordered :-)

No, they were just the first people to tell me they had them. I do hope
everyone on the list is going to buy it, or that if you aren't our feature
on OS3.5 this issue will convince you... :)

All the best,
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          sake, different because it's better.

> > PC skill enough to keep a server going 24/7? I doubt it.

> I expect so...a lot of people have, but this isn't the place for a "I'm
> better than you are" discussion - otherwise us old timers will get involved
> and put everyone to shame regarding ancient technologies most people can't
>spell :)

Quite right - I don't want an arguement about it - I was trying to point out to
the good Mr. Sealey that PC's most definately *don't* rule the roost..

>> ..and??  See mine above - certainly not confined.

> Trolling / flaming should go personal please :)

Maybe - but it's entertaining!

> Although I do like reading the Matt/RobM threads...

I didn't realise people followed them... :)

>> Yup, when you came back to the list after your hols you seemed to have calmed
>> down, but now you're back to the old arrogant, egotistical gobshite.
>> :)

> ROTFLMAO :)

...but how many agree?

RobM

> No, they were just the first people to tell me they had them. I do hope
> everyone on the list is going to buy it, or that if you aren't our feature
> on OS3.5 this issue will convince you... :)

To be honest Ben I'll be waiting to find out *exactly* what's in and what's
not.... from your good self no doubt!

RobM

On Wed, Oct 20, 1999 at 02:40:39PM +0100, Sealey, M. wrote:
> Howsabout having a BSD distro on CD then?
> 
> Any chance of <pick BSD variant> being put on a CD?
>  
> :)

I'm getting a feeling of Deja-vu now :)

Why don't you just download it from the Net?
You know - using your megafast connection there at work, then copy it across
the network to your laptop - you *do* have a laptop don't you? - a nice fast
PII Toshiba like me.
Then take the laptop home and copy it across your switched ethernet network 
- you *do* have a network at home don't you? - to your Miggy...


:)
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> Then take the laptop home and copy it across your switched ethernet network
> - you *do* have a network at home don't you? - to your Miggy...

Reminds me of that old saying : "There's none so flash as that Tudor Davies"!!

RobM

On Thu, Oct 21, 1999 at 10:58:12AM +0100, MARRISR@uk.ibm.com wrote:

> > Then take the laptop home and copy it across your switched ethernet network
> > - you *do* have a network at home don't you? - to your Miggy...
> Reminds me of that old saying : "There's none so flash as that Tudor Davies"!!

No - the saying goes "There's nowt so spawny gittish as that Tudor Davies"..

:)
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On Wed, 20 Oct 1999, Sealey, M. wrote:

> Even if I turn strictness off it complains :) -+ I think it is..

no, -+ means use c++ code 
 
> that compiles code. I can either use GCC (the arse end of compilers)
> or StormC (although not after Stef Haeusser ranted at you in Letters
> this month - what a DORK!). I thought VBCC might have been the 

Steffan did have a point....and he does know his stuff about Amigas and
C coding :-)

> mid-range sort of thing, with niceness AND a shell interface, but
> it's just as much of a pig to keep working as egcs was!

really? I just extracted all the vbcc archices to ram: and then copied
it all to my HD.  by the way, the WOS version of the WOS making compiler
has a bug - i have a fixed version if anyones interested - mail me at
alanb@southuk.freeserve.co.uk


alan

> 
>  linux-2.3.13-native.d..12-Aug-1999 15:51   252k  
>  linux-2.3.13.diff.gz   12-Aug-1999 15:51   1.8M  
>  linux-2.3.13.tar.gz    12-Aug-1999 15:54  14.3M  
>  linux-2.3.14-native.d..19-Aug-1999 17:00   128k  
>  linux-2.3.14.diff.gz   19-Aug-1999 17:05   706k  
>  linux-2.3.14.tar.gz    19-Aug-1999 17:02  14.4M  
>  linux-2.3.16-native.d..03-Sep-1999 16:18   282k  
>  linux-2.3.16.diff.gz   03-Sep-1999 16:19   2.3M  
>  linux-2.3.16.tar.gz    03-Sep-1999 16:21  15.3M  
>  linux-2.3.6-native.di..27-Jun-1999 18:35   257k  
>  linux-2.3.6.diff.gz    27-Jun-1999 18:35   1.3M  
>  linux-2.3.6.tar.gz     27-Jun-1999 18:38  13.8M

well, if you are after this sort of stuff, then get the
linux-2.3.16.tar.gz  if you've never got kernel source or i386 source
etc before.

however, if you've never used linux before, then you'll need the booter
and the precompiled kernel (vmlinuz) from a directory above
this....also, development kernel? 2.2.x will be more stable etc

alan

On Wed, 20 Oct 1999, Mark Smith wrote:

> Nothing ever goes smoothly does it ?  I'm sitting around waiting for 
> Phase5 and co. to let us have G4 accelerators when I read (in CTO 
> and PC Dealer) that the G4 chips have bugs in!  Something about 

i havent heard of this yet from mot. -> wouldnt be suprised if its just
a bad rumour to try to damage the G4/Mac PC attack...after all, accurate
info about other platforms in CTO?  ;-)

alan

On Wed, 20 Oct 1999 biffordyoungest@hotmail.com wrote:

> Why bother waisting a CD - unless you have rewritable ones?  We use
> Zips here, which for lha and lzx is more than enough (I've never filled
> one with Amiga stuff yet :) )

wasting a CD? You've just said it yourself...takes a while to get 100Mb
of stuff to download....and you can write to a CD more than once you
know - you just add more tracks...multisession CD's...but you are
limited to the tight 700Mb limit ;-)

alan

On Wed, 20 Oct 1999 biffordyoungest@hotmail.com wrote:

> Do I need a new telephone number? does the computer have to be online
> all the time to receive faxes?  I know absolutely nothing about any of
> this.

not online, no.... but the modem needs to be left on (and put into
autoanswer mode) and the computer has to be left on..unless you have
fancy one ;-)

alan
 

I installed Linux from the AFCD and everything was fine until I
installed the X.gz file and the Xf86Config file. After extracting the
gz file the screen goes black and then comes back at half second
intervals, making it impossible to do anything except reinstall it,
again. Have I not done something right in the config file, or is it
down to the capitalisation of the XF86Config file?

On Wed, 20 Oct 1999, Andrew wrote:

> Ahh - my problem is that I haven't got the time to learn yet another
> language - it's bleedin hard enough keeping up with HTML, Java, Javascript
> as well as getting to grips with Blitz basic and arexx.  And I've just been
> told by my boss to learn and install Perl on the bloomin PC.

response(afb, 1);

/* neednt have answered, but query anway */

;-)

> By the way - is there an advantage to learning C for a web programmer?

Well, I believe that C *can* teach you good programming skills...if its
learnt properly ;-)

alan

On Wed, 20 Oct 1999, Sealey, M. wrote:

> Howsabout having another Linux distro on CD then?
> 
> Ones for m68k *and* PPC users? I have 2.5Gb of HD
> space to 'waste' and I've gotten fed up of Mac
> emulation (that'll be for my BoXeR when it arrives)
> so I thought I'd see about Linux and stuff on
> an 030.

Linux (with XWindows etc) on an 030? Does work...but without the memory
it can be 'painful'. it certainly is time for a 68k Linux appearance
though

> Any chance of Debian 2.1 being put on a CD?

are we after a 2 CD issue of AF? :-)

alan

hi,

> Ya-boo to all of ya, if you didn't preorder then you suck :)

:-) i preordered from Germany
 
alan

"neil bothwick" <nei-@wire.net.uk> wrote: 
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/afb/?start=3D33246
> Andy Mills said, 

> > If you use Ibrowse or V=B3, you could view source and change the
> > background to make the links readable (as long as the design/code
> > allows it, of course).
> 
> It's a dynamically generated page on a secure server :(
> 

Why not set the ignore custom colours option?

	Thomas Cobb

On 21 Feb 1978, Oliver Marks wrote:

> I did mean imap 4 i was told i need it to access my uni email address 

my uni server is supposed to be imap4, however, YAM connects to it fine
:-)

alan

hi,

> I tried changing it to work with NTSC (15khz,60hz etc) but I still wouldn't work.

if you go to the APUS ftp site, and go into the contrib drawer, you
should find a XF86config file with NTSC and PAL definitions. if not,
then go to geerts site -> its in the FAQ

alan

On Thu, 21 Oct 1999 riksweeney@hotmail.com wrote:

> I installed Linux from the AFCD and everything was fine until I
> installed the X.gz file and the Xf86Config file. After extracting the
> gz file the screen goes black and then comes back at half second
> intervals, making it impossible to do anything except reinstall it,
> again. Have I not done something right in the config file, or is it
> down to the capitalisation of the XF86Config file?

so, it started flashing after you installed the X and restarted? i think
this is the classic 'you're in runmode 3 but trying to run X windows' -
or you've got the wrong X driver running.

check your /etc/inittab... at the bottom theres the X entry - it should
be at :5:, not :3: or :2:  - likewise, with the X driver...make sure you
have the Amiga APUS one..and make sure that if you're using one compiled
for glibc2.1 , that you have a glibc2.1 system ! :-)

alan

> > Do I need a new telephone number? does the computer have to be
online
> > all the time to receive faxes?  I know absolutely nothing about any
of
> > this.
> 
> not online, no.... but the modem needs to be left on (and put into
> autoanswer mode) and the computer has to be left on..unless you have
> fancy one ;-)


Hi Alan,

Does the machine have to be "online all the time though - or does it
just act like an answer machine would - intercepting the right type of
calls and sticking them on the hard drive?

Bifford the Youngest.

Hey Matt, (Or Neil) 

 What is my webpage address anyway?  The e-mail from Neil didnt tell me
and the info pack hasnt arrived yet.

Bifford the Youngest.

Hi, while using AmIRC and an Arexx program MCG_ Buttons (?) (something
like that) when I type ?RX MCG_Buttons (or whatever) it says MUIRexx
not installed properly.  

MUIRexx.mcc is in the MUI:Libs/Mui draw where it should be so can
anyone help?

Is there somewhere I can download a new copy with Installer program?

Thanx,

Bifford the Youngest.

> so, it started flashing after you installed the X and restarted? i
think
> this is the classic 'you're in runmode 3 but trying to run X windows'
-
> or you've got the wrong X driver running.
> 
> check your /etc/inittab... at the bottom theres the X entry - it
should
> be at :5:, not :3: or :2:  - likewise, with the X driver...make sure
you
> have the Amiga APUS one..and make sure that if you're using one
compiled
> for glibc2.1 , that you have a glibc2.1 system ! :-)
> 
(Pretending to understand)
Ok cheers. :)

No, I should be able to figure it out now. Thanks.

Easy question: how do I change my name on these posts so it puts my
name at the top and not my email address?

Hi tdc98@doc.ic.ac.uk,

> Easy question: how do I change my name on these posts so it puts my
> name at the top and not my email address?

If you're posting from the website this isn't an easy question to answer,
however, if you are posting from an email client, it should be done
automatically.

All the best,
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> On Wed, Oct 20, 1999 at 02:40:39PM +0100, Sealey, M. wrote:
> > Howsabout having a BSD distro on CD then?
> > 
> > Any chance of <pick BSD variant> being put on a CD?
> >  
> > :)
> 
> I'm getting a feeling of Deja-vu now :)

Heh :)
 
> Why don't you just download it from the Net?

Because...

> You know - using your megafast connection there at work, then 
> copy it across the network to your laptop - you *do* have a
> laptop don't you? - a nice fast PII Toshiba like me.

I wish :) We have nice fast PII Toshibas here (Satellite 420XD
or summink) but I can't borrow them :)

> Then take the laptop home and copy it across your switched 
> ethernet network - you *do* have a network at home don't
> you? - to your Miggy...

Or I can just get Ben or Rich to download it, and have it on
CD forever - with instructions as to how to install it in the
mag I hope (not that it's hard), whereas my way I'd have to
get lord knows how many Zip disks, fashion an adapter to fit
my parallel drive to my Amiga 1200 and do it that way, which
is a lot more hassle :)

I wish I had more than one computer at home to network, but
maybe when my BoXeR gets here I'll get a 3C905B for it, and
grab a cheap NE2000 PCMCIA card for my A1200.

-- 
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Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

> On Wed, 20 Oct 1999, Sealey, M. wrote:
> 
> > Even if I turn strictness off it complains :) -+ I think it is..
> 
> no, -+ means use c++ code 

no, -+ means less strict parsing, including C++ comments. VBCC doesn't
do C++ code, because it's only a C compiler :)
  
> > that compiles code. I can either use GCC (the arse end of compilers)
> > or StormC (although not after Stef Haeusser ranted at you in Letters
> > this month - what a DORK!). I thought VBCC might have been the 
> 
> Steffan did have a point....and he does know his stuff about 
> Amigas and C coding :-)

Not the point, the fact that Richard came out and proved him wrong sorta
made it pointless. Steffen knows StormC is shite - or more precisely he
does but he'll never admit it and will defend it at all costs whether
there are other compilers that are better or not.

-- 
Matt Sealey mws2@le.ac.uk 
Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

> Hi, while using AmIRC and an Arexx program MCG_ Buttons (?) (something
> like that) when I type ?RX MCG_Buttons (or whatever) it says MUIRexx
> not installed properly.  
> 
> MUIRexx.mcc is in the MUI:Libs/Mui draw where it should be so can
> anyone help?
> 
> Is there somewhere I can download a new copy with Installer program?

Try Aminet you lazy idiot.

It was you who did this last time, wasn't it?

On Thu, 21 Oct 1999 10:00:17 +0100, Sealey, M=2E wibbled=2E=2E=2E

> Finally, some sense from the O'Neill clan! :)
> Oh yes, Words and Pictures is GOD!=20
> Up, down, up and oveerrr! Up and down, up and OVERRR!

I'm starting to respect you people more than ever :)
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ut
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FD700990 <FD700990@ntu.ac.uk> on 10/21/99 12:34:52 PM

Please respond to FD700990 <FD700990@ntu.ac.uk>

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sorry mate calm down

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> Sent:   18 October 1999 11:42
> To:     fd700990@ntu.ac.uk
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>
>
>
> Whoever you are
> Keep your moronic opinions to yourself.
>
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